Why you guys are so pissed off? WTF
both ahve different pvp roles
corsair shinobi is better in gvg because of CC
cata c3 dragoon is better in 2v2 and 5v5 matches, (i believe a cata lancer will be very good in gvg)
i am fan of both corsair shinobi and cata c3.
Still talking about sw3 cataā¦ zzzz
Highlander skills are better than Dragoon (which is r7 ffs). Do not skip highlander c2
no they arenāt, dragoon isnāt the best pve anyway, but sure is stronger than highlander. doppel is stronger in pve though.
Welcome to the swordsman forums where this stuff happens almost every other dayā¦ 
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angry swordsmen. like above post said.
total damage from toolkit:
highlander
cartar stroke 1200% from 2 overheat
skyliner 600% from 3 overheat, 1200% with bleed
crosscut 2400% from 2 overheat
moulinet 500%
dragoon
dragontooth 600%
serpentine 700%
dragon soar 500%
no overheats
lol cartar stroke and dragontooth literally do the same damage.
Well cartar stroke is a little better since itās 4 hits of 150% damage so it only gets reduced by defense 4 times.
Dragontooth is 6 hits of 100% so it gets reduced by defense 6 times.
Guys this post is about doppelsā¦ Pleaseā¦
Soā¦ what is pro and con of: (pve)
sword 3>highlander 2>doppel 2;
sword 1>highlander 3>barb 1>doppel 2;
sword 1>highlander 1>barb 3>doppel 2?
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Crosscut has a bleed that lasts for 10 seconds. It does 100% atk per second.
It says bleeds scale from STR but that is wrong.
Keep cartar stroke at level 1. Itās still 600% atk at level 1 and it charges incredibly fast.
Cartar strokeās DPS actually goes DOWN the more skill levels you put in it. Itās best at level 1.
Cartar stroke at level 1 is faster than seism and more than double the damage.
PVE 
Maybe include peltasta for Swash Buckling.
Because it takes time to charge.
Same reason why going barbC3 is terrible.
Pouncing is a lot of damage by itself, but it has an 81 second cooldown and takes 10 seconds of channeling to use. Thereās a huge opportunity cost involves since you could be using other skills during that 10 seconds anyway. (just kidding if you go barb3 you gave up having any good skills and youāre screwed).
Pro of Sword C3 is 50% uptime on Restrain (AoE mini-stun for mobs), stronger Concentrate, higher Pain Barrier uptime, and I guess Double Slash with bleed.
Pro of Highlander C3 is stronger Cartar Stroke, Cross Guard, Cross-cut, Skyliner and access to Skull Swing and Vertical Slash
Pro of Barb C3 is stronger Stomping Kick (will be more relevant after the upcoming buff), stronger Cleave. access to Seism (stun on multiple targets, and fake multi-hits which can be effective for Double Pay: Earn usage), Warcry and/or Frenzy buffs, Giant Swing (after the upcoming buffsā¦ might be a 1-point wonder) and Pouncing
This is kinda random, but Iāve heard that Bleeding counts as Piercing damage, so Hoplite C2 skill that enhances Pierce supposedly enhances it.
I donāt know if thatās true or not, just something I remember seeing somewhere on the forums ^o.o^
Iām think to go Sword 1>Highlander 3>Peltasta 1>Doppel 2 (future Doppel 3)
I love so much Swash Buckling, is really usefull.
But idk if is worth lose 50% damage of cleave for Barbarian 1. 
Cool cool. 
.You could go Sword 1>Highlander 2>Barbarian1>Peltasta 1>Doppel 2 (future Doppel 3) if you want, the majority of highlander damage comes from the second circle imo.
As a Pelt>Barb 3 soon to be Doppel 2 I can say a few things:
- 2 stuns with 2 charges each skill. They are really handy when mobbing
- War cry and Frenzy. War cry alone adds a lot of damage directly to the character sheet and it has 50 sec cool down now. Skull Swing has a 40 sec cd Frenzy works quite well with Deeds of Valor.
- Pouncing does A LOT of damage. Just Swash and position yourself nicely. Pop Pouncing, mobs will die
- Cleave now has 3 charges. . It shines as a debuff skill. No really, +50% Slash damage is a lot. Zucken and Redel will scale nicely. And Cyclone too
- Helm Chopper hits hard and fast. It stuns quite often.
Is worth up cartar stroke to lvl 15?
No because scale very bad each level and has a high charge time. Level 1 or 3 is enough.