hello, i was wondering which is better between barbarian 3 and highlander 3 for doppel c2…
can you help me gives the pros and cons for these build?
swordman -> highlander c3 -> barb c1 -> doppel c2
or
swordman -> highlander c1 -> barb c3 -> doppel c2
thanks!
High3 you’ll have various debuffs that would help your party. You have stagger from Cross Guard, Shock from Crown, and Armor Break from Skull Swing. You’ll also deal massive damage to bosses that bleed using your Cross Cut + Skyliner combo. For me the downside is, your damage would really fall bad if the boss cannot be affected by bleed and Skyliner only has 3 overheat.
Barb3 you’ll have great solo buffs that will increase your damage (Warcry + Frenzy), add that with Doppel’s DoV, you’ll gain massive atk boost. Helm Chopper + Cleave will also deal massive damage to mobs that can be stunned, Seism is one of the best aoe skill for a swordsman (has stuns as well), and Pouncing is really one of the most underrated skills of Barb. I can easily do 100k damage with it on a boss that isn’t passable. Barb will only get better with the buffs that we are receiving from KR today. Downside I’d say it falls off late game but you could always level your skill attribute.
To summarize, I’d say Highlander is pretty much more of a team player than a Barb. But I would always pick Barb in terms of dealing more damage than a Highlander. I would take back what I said if Skyliner remained 0 cd, but it didn’t.
Both are great choices and it’s down to what you class you prefer most. You could never go wrong with either build for a 2 hand sword based swordsman. 
IMO if you want to play
sw>high c3>barb1>doppel
it will be better if you play sw>high c3> pelta>doppel (you don’t have stun/crit from barb1 but you can become the one of best tank)
BTW after new patch all of barb skill will boost.
can be an off tank with this build but he’ll be missing out on Cleave debuff (50% slash + 50 crit rate). which is imo, alot. if he intends to be a dps build.
Great neutral opinion. Proud High C3 here \o
I actually have both. I held out on my High3 as I was really sad on the Skyliner perma nerf. 
But yeah I’ll be waiting, maybe in the future something good will come to Highlanders. And I’ll be back to playing it. o/
hi! thankyou for reply!
is the damage with high3 build will falldown too at high level?
and what about pvp aspect?
is the damage will be falldown both high3 and barb3 for pvp?
if anything else, Highlander scales better late game than a Barb due to the Cross Cut (bleed) + Skyliner combo. but again as I said the downside is, if the boss cannot be affected by Bleed your DPS will fall really bad, as damage scaling from Moulinet is bad and for Cartar you’ll need to charge (though a Level 1-3 Cartar is already good enough, don’t max the skill).
if you are planning on pvp, I’d say take at least 1 Corsair so you can get 1 hard CC in the form of Iron Hook. But this build would really be hard on pvp as you lack gap closers. You won’t have Stealth from Shinobi, and mobility from Cataphract. IMO, PvP for swordsman is all about closing the gap fast as soon as possible and stun/CC locking your opponents, which neither High or Barb has (though Barb has 2 skills with stuns)
i see…okay thanks! really appreciate your input 
I think Highlander will continue to scale better and better as Boss Defense becomes higher, thanks to Skull Swing.
Unless they buff Barb to gain +% damage increase as opposed to flat bonuses, it’s either Barb C1 for Slash damage increase or Barb C3 for Pouncing… but Cross-cut + Skyliner is available more often than Pouncing downtime, so they’re more reliable on mobs not immune to bleeding.
Sword > Highlander C3 > Barb C1 > Doppel C3 looks somewhat promising as a dps build… it just sucks that the major percentile damage increase is available at such a high Swordsman rank, and requires further circle investment into Doppel, funneling the strongest builds into one route.
And also, apparently DoV only works with Physical Attack invested with Strength and not from buffs like Warcry + Frenzy, making Barb C3 less appealing than before. The AoE range buffs are nice, but they mean nothing unless Swordsman gain more AoE attack ratio from gear and passives.
maybe you need to stack warcry / frenzy 1st before cast DOV ?
DOV work with phy attack at F1 right ?
so gungho and weapon attack also work with DOV ?
What about sw -> pelt -> hl 2 -> barb -> doppel 3 full dex?
I hope this isn’t jack of all trades master of none
no it wouldn’t. it wouldn’t factor in warcry and frenzy increase before you cast DoV. but if met the proper conditions, +330 from Warcry and +200 from Frenzy (assuming attribute is on, if not then +400) is still a lot. Downside with Frenzy is you need to AA in order for it to stack, I’d wish they’d let us stack even while using skills.
If going for Doppel 3, Cleave debuff won’t matter much because c3 will get a slash bonus skill.
50% is still a lot, and that is 3 charges of 50% slash debuff and 50 crit rate for 15s. Combining it with Doppel’s buff it would be 150%.
Yes, but in a PvP enviroment, Corsair is needed and Cross Guard helps a little bit more. But, yeah, no gap closers.
Yes, that’s why I said to take at least 1 Corsair if doing PvP .
Cleave from barb c2/c3 and Zwerchhau from dopp c3 combined gives you +100% damage with slash attacks. soooooo i guess you know the answer
letting skills for stacking frenzy can be bad too
Current frenzy can give benefit to 0 cd skill
after stacking frenzy to max with AA then use skills so the stack doesn’t gone
if use skill can stack frenzy it’ll be forever restack - will never max stack on bar2
in bar3 you got attribute tough
for worst it only will always give you 1stack if using skills
So the Slash damage increase is from Barb C2 attribute and not available at Barb C1? ^o.o^
I keep hearing that it is Barb C1 ^o.o^