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Are Archers weak?

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#42

I played different versions and the problem is not only at archers side.

First u have the archer. Oblique for medicore aoe and multi shot for singletarget.
Thats pretty much poop because the early zones are full of monster and when you hit the level where the density starts to drop off the dmg of the skills will do it as well.
Then whe have the ranger, this class is pretty much sh!t IMO because the only usefull skill is barrage until you unlock the last 2 skills in c3. The aoe is kinda strong from barrage but then we are facing the problem archer > archer > ranger?
This is for the next 35-40 levels, must be a joke. A rank 3 class only offers me 1 skill.
We can go archer>ranger> ranger to make barrage a bit stronger, yea, but then we are missing the dmg from multi and oblique.

I played full dex, str 1:1 dex , str 1:2 dex and full spirit. Full spirit outperformed everything. Ppl here always complaining about late bloomers and upgrade your weapon and stuff. Im telling you this doesnt matter at all because this class will stay bad. All my bows were +6 and above , this class was still pretty bad.
Going ranger for just one skill for an entire playtime until rank 4+ or something is not worth.
So now you can decide how you want to play the class. Crit or noncrit.

If you go crit:
Your life will be the worst nightmare in history of gaming until level (from what ppl say) 100+.
You have like only 1 weapon until 120. I tested the savage bow +6 compared to my Iron bow +6 and it dealt less dmg !
This is so disgusting XD I was the cookiecutter build. --> Oblique lv1 spam archer > archer > ranger with 50% attribute on every skill + maxed bow mastery / swift step attribute for crit.

If you go full spr:
You will outdmg nearly everything until late game. Because maxed oblique is free 440 dmg that you can spam but since you wont get any crit and stuff your dmg will be capped at some point. But its still more fun to play compared to a crit archer until rly high levels.

Now to bows. This must be a joke xD
When you look at all weapons for every other class you will definitely find always a weapon for 40/75/120/170 etc with decent stats like ( higher crit/crit rate/ aoe).
But bows will drop from higher level enemies, like 60+ for a lv40 bow and 100+ for a lv 75 bow and they wont be special at all. Just for high base dmg. U wont get any good stat on the weapon like compared to swords/spears/mace.
So while playing you will even suffer to find your required gear OR you will buy it for a high amount of silver (because u wont sh!t silver until lv100 + ).

Oh and yes I had lv 5 gems in my equip. Wouldnt recommend to play this class until the upcomming changes (if it changes something). I would rly like to know what they are going to buff and change for this class.
And sorry for the terrible wording and format, I just woke up hahaha.

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#43

Not as weak as people seem to claim.

Iā€™ve played with archers in the 50ties dungeon and they seem to deal some pretty neat damage, donā€™t know whats the problem really since i havenā€™t played them myself personally.

#44

Go ahead and try. They are mostly useless for group play as they dont offer any good AoE nor any buffs. At boss fights they might be good if the rest of party is slacking/lacking.

#45

no archers are not weak, its your stats build/equips

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Lv45 Archer>Rangerx2

0 Stats in dex or str only 1 in spr to get 1 bonus(1 bonus each 5 base stats)

Tenet Chapel 1f Pawnd Lv47 714HP (http://www.tosbase.com/database/monsters/57213/)

Normal Attack=7~8
Oblique 5 = 3(not taking in consideration the 2 hit in a close enemy) 23sp each
Multi Full 5= 1 17sp each

Barrage= 2 44sp each
High Anchoring 9= 2 48sp each

when i upgrade/put gem i going to dish even more damage.
about bosses, its a pain but if full str and good equips u will have no problem there

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#46

My grind to 80 was quite painful as Ranger c2. And that is with the best possible weapon and +7 upgrade, along with Oblique Shot attribute leveled up to around 30. It got a lot easier now that I unlocked Ranger c3, but kill speed is still slower than both my swordman and str priest when they were around the same level.

Is archer viable? Yes. You can definitely solo and kill bosses without problem. The problem with archer is that, for a pure dps class, the damage is completely inferior to swordmans, doesnā€™t provide heals like clerics, and doesnā€™t have ground breaking utilities like Linker that make Wizards so wanted in groups.

I hear that Fletcher is really good, and am still trying to get there. But, as someone who has 100 pyro linker, 130 monk, 102 hoplite, and 93 ranger, I can say with confident that despite being so twinked with attributes and the best weapon, this ranger has been the weakest out of all the chars I tried.

#47

you do realize, that that is really poor damage? even wiz 3 does more damage with lethargy earthquake, that hits around 7 enemies that level and oneshots them for similar sp, 1 flameground tick is 300 right now with my build at level 35, so by level 45 it takes 2 ticks to kill pawndels.

hoplite does that with 2-3 auto attacks as an aoe, highlander/ barb takes 2 auto attack crits or one cleave for overkill.
my battlepriest c2 takes 2 auto attacks and decimates whole mobs, all those use no mana aside from self buffs.
you can do that with c2 ranger barrage, so 2 times every 15 seconds or so.

you have to get your weapon to +10 to not have your damage reduced by 25-40 % on middle to large enemies, so massive costs right there.

#48

We used to have this, but then they took it out.

#49

I just want to know the upcomming changes, I saw on reddit but cant find it anymore, a post about archers where double shot became a passive , so you are shooting 2 arrows with your autoattack instead of 1.
The user said he saw a video but never posted one.

#50

My tests where with str AND dex with no stats points added, see 2Āŗ and 3Āŗ screenshoots, with full str i will have more attack, with dex lots more crits and a lot evasion

wizard may give more damage but they spend more MP, so you can not put full int u need int and spr, archer with good evasion can have multiple monsters attacking him as he normal attack then, wiz need to sit and recharge mp, or use mp pots.

letargy 1 is 11mp(through i donā€™t think all 7 going to get the debuff, its really small circle)

monster def and mdef are diferent from each other, you may do more or less

i wont talk about swordies, everyone knows that sword need to be nerfed.
donā€™t know priests

#51

thatā€™s what i am saying, wiz classes donā€™t even spend more sp, they donā€™t have to use their skills as often, archer starts once your crit rate and crit damage get good enough, which happens, depending on build and gear around level 100-120.
i am full int and i am chugging less sp pots than on my different archer builds, be it spr or dex or hybrid builds.

until then you are spamming skills like a mad man as archer and unless you get a level 10 weapon or fight small or flying mobs (with 2h bow attribute) your auto attack is rather underperforming.

archer gets good damage, but it takes either massive amounts of money or way longer than other classes

#52

Archer is trashā€¦needs a rework

#53

I discovered something, the weapons from between level 60~75 sucks, my archer only started to do good once I bought and crafted a Savage Bow, after I reached level 75, then the char begun causing some good damageā€¦ At least until level 100, when monsters begun to be hard to kill again.

#54

My Hunter was killing mobs 60 levels above him.

#55

Archers are weaker that other class until Rank 4 (depending on your path). Why rank 4? I will list the common build of most of the archers in the game as there are many rubbish skills set until higher circle.

Archer->Ranger C3
Archer C3 -> Wugushi
Archer C2 -> Sapper C2

For those who are going for rogue. You need rank 6 to shine so the grind is kind of bad compare to other classes. I am rank 5 at the moment and i am doing solid damage with my Barage lvl15 (level 50 attribute) and Spiral. Still, i donā€™t think Archer is the best DPS in late game but at least we are not as bad as when we are in lower level.

#56

i dont have a problem with killing things with my lvl 110 ranger c3. my crit arrow is doing 2.5k+ dmg per crit. which i usually one shot most mobs with it. the only problem with my archer is the high sp cost. i drink SP pots like water. hell, i can even say i drink SP pots like how i breathe air.

archer is a rich manā€™s class tbh. you have to be rich and spend on attributes to be decent.

my attributes are:

lvl 50 oblique shot
lvl 50 crit arrow
lvl 48 barrage
lvl 40 Spiral Arrow

#57

Being an archer in boss fights is really exhausting. Yes, you learn how to kite and predict boss attacks but it takes too long especially for low level archer. Heck, even my same level Krivis kills bosses faster compared to this pure DPS class. But archers are good for small mobs tho.

#58

lol really? c3 archer or c3 ranger dominates bosses with lvl 15 multishot or lvl 5 spiral arrow + lvl 15 barrage

hereā€™s a c3 ranger against a flying boss

hereā€™s another c3 ranger against a boss

hereā€™s another one

#59

late game archer is good , Archer - Archer - Hunter - Wugushi C3 , this build combo PVP + PVE hybrid , hunter skill allow flying mobs to the ground and hit wugushi poison AOE , and for pvp that dog hold people and you can poison them to dead and need coin for revive

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#60

you cant hold people with c1 hunter, it is c2

#61

People, if you think Archers are weak, try going Swordie c2, or even Cataphract, without going to Highlander or Barbarian at all. Itā€™s not that weak. Stop comparing Archers to OP classes like Barbs and Highlanders. Even Hoplite can be considered an OP class, especially c2+.