where is ur pool ? o.o
I think though thatās the problemā¦ there isnāt a lot to do. But what there is feels like a requirement instead of an option. And those requirements can be disheartening when you look at the investments required.
Yeahā¦ there isnāt any amazing content. But what content we do have must be done to the point it is stomped into the ground.
- Get all your attributes to lv100
- Get all your cards to lv100
- Get all your gems to max
- Run Saalus 500x times
- Kill these monsters thousands upon thousands of times for hours and hoursā¦ hit whatever new cap there is.
- Run Saalus some more.
- Try ET. Try it againā¦ and againā¦ and again.
- Try the new tower. Try it againā¦ and againā¦ until you have all your gear.
- Sweetā¦ youāre at cap, have all your gear you wantā¦ nowā¦
- Upgrade all your gear to 20+
- Run Saalus some more. Transcend everything. It will take forever but, keep at it! lol
- Want more content? Kill a new WB. Then kill it againā¦ and againā¦ and againā¦ get that cube! Open the cube! Didnāt get what you want? Just follow the TOS formula, and do it all again.
- Any changes invalidate your character? Maybe @R8? Or @R9? Or @R10? Itās okay, do everything above again for a new character.
Yeahā¦ there is plenty to do lol And at the same time? There is absolutely nothing to do outside of PvP that doesnāt feel like a chore lol
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The primary issue here is scaling of Transcendence. The % boost IMO shouldāve been diminishing, not increasing.
The way it is right now as OP and some pointed out is that older players who stuck to their main will always be ahead no matter what new players do.
Class resets will probably only make that situation worse as there wonāt be a need for toons with high-trans weapons (or who have saved a lot of shards already) to be rerolled, starting from scratch with another weapon.
Sure, itās reward for dedicated players - but is that really worth it to make new players perma-inferior?
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thats what iām talking about ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
an easy fix for it?
new lvl 330 dungeon that drops 10 saluus cubes everyday
and reduce to 1/4 the amount of shards needed to transcend
this way everybody could get all the gear transcended with some 1-3 months after hiting max level
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Isnāt that mostly the format of most MMORPGs right now? Run x number of times of dungeons to craft item. Or run dungeon until you get what item you want, or whatever. rinse and repeat until they release new content. then repeat the process all over again. or in cases of other MMORPGs that doesnāt run on instanced dungeons, hunt x number of mobs until you get item or enough materials to create item, or pray to RNGeezus to give you the item after 1 kill. in which ToS gives you both the option.
these are the kind of players that enjoyed their character, not because they are meta, but because they enjoy it. class resets on tp shops will only benefit meta lovers, but like I said Iām not against it, but imo they should just give those out once all of their new classes are released. not like R8 is coming, class reset please. R9 is coming, class reset please. R10 is coming, class reset please. 'cause nothing is definite until they plan on releasing newer ones.
for me the solution to this is just let the players transfer their transcended weapons to their alts. do not make it tradeable, but at least make it transferable.
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That could work, but eh IMC doesnāt even bother making Saalus equip drops transferable between toons.
Guess itās part of the āhardcoreā experience.
I feel OPās pain, lol. However I did what you said you werenāt into: Just play the game. Normally Iām all about being competitive and wanting to be the very best, like no one ever wasā¦ Coughsā¦ but ToS is just way too involved for that. You have to farm these weapons at this place to make this next weapon to make this next weapon and then have these shards to transcend this weapon that may not be worth caca on the next patch, and heck, maybe even make your next weapon! xD No thank you. If I get it, I get it. I have some goals in mind of course, but Iām not gonna sweat if I miss a Saalus mission a day.
I agree, thereās a lot you need to work towards, but not a lot to actually do variety wise. Iām still hoping to just see more social content pop up since yaā knowā¦ _MMO_RPG.
dude, game needs new players or it dies. transfer to alts will not fix the real problem (the real time wall)
see, ppl still didnāt realize how bad is the transcendence problem
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ikr. IMC is so āhardcoreā, with all their restrictions and sht. but hey, still hoping. I mean they just released a patch that lets you trade most of the items that were untradeable before.
chore? ā¦no ā¦not really
at least thatās what I think anyway
I used to think like that until I noticed that IMC only cares about keeping the whales satisfied. Guess theyāre milking enough from those players.
Soooo many bot and hack reports went ignored for some reason - most of them having bought TP costumes and sh*t.
This is a hobby a game a fun time, stop getting so bloody tenseā¦
if you aināt having fun and think itās overwhelming then find a more relaxing hobby/game 
as for the main questionā¦
MMM
NOPE 
imho, what kills the game is the character skill balances, scaling, dmg, usefulness etc.
item transcend scaling/issue is secondary.
who build chracter to follow equiment, lol
it should be the otherway round,
i made my character this way, so i hunt X equipment to make my character shine more.
you cant have a balance game until , even swordman1, archer1, cleric1, mage1 etcā¦ until all rank and all classes are nerf/buff/change to a balance state, this game is not worth playing
(as pointed by OP, its just slaving yourself to follow some trend/equipment, totally killed the concept of Class Diversity)
Class Reset? huehuehuehue
Point2 , leveling (player experience and Quality of Life)
Questing? boring when its yout 10th alts
Dungeon? dying if your server population low afā¦ too many level bracket to stretch the low pop further and hefty penalty
Grinding? no1 wants you unless you have X skills. Low spawn, bot, low channel, afksorc etc
Point 3
Congratz, despite all the hardship, you endured it all the way, now whats your reward?
Buggy PVP/GVG not to mention single digit FPS
Buggy PVP/GVG reward system, yaāall got IMCāed!
ok, so workaround it, play PVE
WB boring af, its a camping competition, boss die less than 1min
ET? need meta build to brute force yoursself all the way, literally climbing tower, not to test your personal player skill, but is rather , how well you min maxing
lastly, Point 4
if nothing attracts you, well, theres still Costume Game~
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Yeahā¦ feels like a chore for sure. Whatās worse is knowing that thereās a ton of players using cheats like hook64 so youāll never be able to compete even if you do the chores everyday.
Good fking game.
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Tree of flower pickingā¦all those quest NPCsā¦heuuuk
Is playing ToS a chore? Itās in the eye of the player.
Does ToS have a lot of chores? Yes, every day you MUST pick flowers.
Reporting bots - thatās a chore.
Taking evidence - thatās also a chore.
Trying to make IMC understand they have a lot of stuff to fix - the real chore.
/huehuehue
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spreading hues in forum <-- best chores ever!
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yeah ā¦but I donāt see it as a chore
I mean ā¦thatās my opinion
like when you see people sweep the floor, its a chore right?
but there still people who do that as a hobbyā¦its that kind of thing
most people probably see this as a chore but I donāt. Thatās all.
never gonna happen with 80+ classes. other devs couldnāt do it with 10-20 classes.
this is the real problem. along with hue64. huehue
Eh see Iām actually still against class resets for cash. Despite IMC throwing thousands of dollars out the window weekly for GvG rewards and basically giving everyone and their mom enough TP to never need to make a purchase. I wouldnāt want it on the shop ever really, even if they would be essentially free because of the free TPā¦ I wouldnāt want people to have the ability to flavor-of-the-week syndrome.
My main is a C3 Thaum. I love Thaum, not sure why, especially considering that the flat bonuses mean absolutely nothing the more we progress into the game. By R9 not even a fully attributed Thaum will be worth anything at all unless they add scaling. Even R8 nearly invalidates Reversi as an essential PvP tool considering all of the immense measures against magic damage and magic circles now.
I have 17 character slots. And zero of them are currently filled by anything even remotely close to a meta, and absolutely zero of them will ever be filled with a meta. If someone wants a cookie-cutter player then I am certainly not their man lol
I love my character despite needing to roll him again. What Iām not looking forward to is the amount of investment needed to do that. Do everything again. Start over on Saalus from scratch. Completely start attributes over after sinking millions upon millions into them etc etcā¦ and then get ready to sink even more into the character with R8 additions like Homun etc.
Itās very different when you roll a new character. When you start something fresh, you go in bright-eyed and bushy tailed. You do the quests. You grind. You are excited for the character. Re-rolling a character though is very different. Youāre doing everything the same except for 1-2 circles differently. And youāre killing off your old character to do it, youāre replacing them, making it so they arenāt needed. They are a mistake and need to be forgotten. That kind of play isnāt entirely fun.
Lately Iāve just set my alarms for GvG and logged out shortly after. Maybe itās just me, but the feeling I get from TOS isnāt the same amazement and excitement lol So much just feels like a chore I guess.
IDK i think most usable builds now have good options for rank 8. most, not all. Mainly if you picked corsairā¦ but then theres rank 9. Might be something amazing then for these chars.
There are different options now so people may feel like rerolling and thats the point i guess. Youre meant to make multiple characters and try different things. Just because there may be something different you like doesnt mean your char got ruined.
Being forced to make your weapons stronger is a buzzkill? I dont understand. How do you want to be competitive then? use lvl 1 weapon and be good? Oh you have to run this dungeon for a stronger weapon, want it handed to you instead?
This is a grinding game and youre upset about all these things you can grind and make yourself stronger.
Dont want to buy scrolls, party with a linker. Want to play solo and still have jp, buy scrolls.
As for the resets discussion, i dont want resets, but rebirth with xp bonus would work.
This game was wearing on me a while ago, but i took a couple weeks and came back. I think maybe people are burning themselves out.
@lenny i dont see the problem reallyā¦ played longer you have stronger things and more stuff. If new gear comes out you get half your shards back, but thats like 6months of wasted shards. The only thing this makes a problem with is pvp, but i thought weapon upgrades didnt count for pvp?