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Anyone else feel overwhelmed? Is TOS a chore?

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#1

Topic.

I mean… think about it.

R8 is just around the corner and has nearly invalidated not only most builds, but almost the entire “core” fundamentals of the game that we’ve built our characters around up until this point.

  • High base damage abilities
  • OP buffs (looking at you, Missile Hole)
  • So much “anti-magic” crap that not only are magic circles pretty R.I.P. but so are a lot of the lower damaging skills with all the mdef in PvE.

R8 brings a lot more though with Homunculus and JP scrolls. Not only will you have to spend a lot to remain competitive (I’m not the best, but, come on, nearly everyone wants to be the best that they can, and to do that will require having a Homun with JP and buying JP scrolls) but you’ll have to invest a lot of additional time as well.

If your build has been ruined by the R8 info then you’ve had to (or better do it now) reroll your character and try again. On top of all of that, now you have to do Saalus constantly on that new main just to “keep up” with Transcendence. Being figuratively forced to do something to remain competitive is just a total buzzkill.

A lot of people weigh in the value of the character by looking at what they can do by themselves. It’s just the nature of it all and isn’t wrong to do so. “I can solo this mission in x minutes” “I can kill this boss in x seconds” “I can kill a ton of mobs on-cycle effectively and clear a grinding map by myself” “I can 1v1 against anyone and win” etc etc etc. People like feeling that, even if their character can’t do everything, that it can at least do something flawlessly.

But that’s just it. Unless you keep up on everything, or run a meta, you won’t stand a lot of chance at doing a lot of anything compared to most others.

My main? I have to re-roll. My newest character? If my math is correct, he can instagib any boss once but with an unreasonable setup time. He can’t solo grind effectively without JP Homunculus or JP scrolls. He needs to run Saalus everyday, along with the rerolled main. They both will need attributes, gear sets, and so much more. Oh, and he can’t PvP because what he does bring to the table is far too limited compared to specialty blends.

Oh. That’s right. I could make another character specifically for PvP or GvG. And go through the entire bother again of playing all the same content again. And then get another JP Homunculus, more JP scrolls, more Saalus runs for yet another Transcendence, PvP gear, oh and I’ll need to farm mats for this weapon or that armor, can’t forget cards, better invest in 10* of this and that card too, etc etc etc…

Man. TOS definitely feels more like a chore at this point than anything else.

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#2

This is why we need class resets. Inb4 another endless argument huehuehue

Tree of Chores

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#3

thiiiiiiiis, ive been talking about transcendence problem for days now and ppl keep bashing me. (just read below, lol)
if theres one thing that have enough potential to kill this game is this transcendence system.

1-2 years from now new players will NEVER be able to catch up to older players because older ones will have 500% weapons while new players will HAVE to wait AT LEAST 1.5 year to get it…

also, as someone rerollling for the 6th time (yeah, got IMCed that much)
i’m still unsure about my build, i even sent a PM for staff to see if they could give me ANY info about rank 9

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#4

why do you guys still play mmorpg with that mindset.

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#5

this is a mmo, not diablo3. the game is supposed to change with more classes released. if its too hard for you then go play WoW or something.

this game is built around having multiple characters. just because you chose the flavor of the month and didnt stick to what you thought would be most fun doesnt mean IMC should cater and handhold you

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#6

2 years from now? are you >implying there wont be any new weapons released in 2 years? you really think some lv220 weapon transcended would outclass a lv500 weapon in 2 years?

#7

You know… at one point, I would have said something like “Wtf, hell no, what makes TOS special is the level of commitment, the fact you can’t go back, the amount of planning it takes to pull off a good character blah blah blah” but… well… now I kind of agree. To an extent. I wouldn’t like to see class resets that allow people to roll the flavor of the week whenever they want… but man, I also don’t want to endure everything again either.

There is just so much to “keep up on” to remain competitive. Sure, I could ignore all that, and just play the game…

  • Ignore Transcendence on every piece of equipment. Maybe just ignore it altogether. Be leagues behind every other player in terms of damage dealing and mitigation abilities.

  • Ignore Homunculus or scroll costs and never them, never solo-grind efficiently, force myself to crawl through countless grinds with a full party or roll a new character to do it all again but that is an effective meta…

  • Ignore cards, who needs those, and ignore gems because that means farming for an obscene amount of abrasives.

  • Ignore taking a merchant class to cap. Who needs free silver anyway.

I could go on forever.

#8

AGAIN PPL KEEP DERPING ON MY POSTS (WHY GZUS WHY)
hammer dismatle will retreave ur shards, do u really think i’m that dumb?

#9

are you >implying dailies are too hard for you?

CAPS LOCK CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

#10

DUUUUUUUDE DOESNT MATTER THE DAILIES,
the problem is the FCKING REAL TIME WALL (u can play 24/7 and u still cant catch up to ppl only doing dailies for 1-2 years)
AAAAAAAAAAAH MY LITTLE BROTHER UNDERSTANDS IT AND HE IS 13

#11

Change isn’t bad. Hell, TOS needs a lot of change, and a lot of content. Bring it on I say, it’ll be for the better.

But changes that invalidate everything you have done, or force you to do so much more or do it all again… that’s rough.

I’m a competitive player. I’m in a competitive guild. I enjoy min-maxing and specializing. I’ve absolutely loved my time spent researching and theory crafting.

However, I don’t enjoy the chore of having to do everything countless times, where the strongest player is the one who endured some menial task more times than someone else. I don’t need a full lodge of amazing characters, I just don’t like that R8 has invalidated a lot of our main characters and therefor we have to start everything over again. Transcend on another main, re-attribute, etc etc. And even after you do all that… you still have more chores to do to keep up lol

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#12

if youre complaining about saalus which takes 5 mins compared to other mmo’s which have daily raids which take hours then you need to seriously just stop playing mmo’s

cancer community at its finest

if you dont like your character then make another. you can literally make like 15 characters on your account. buy X8 exp tome and get to lv200 in 2 days if you must have your hand-held and cant stand grinding.

everyone here complaining and wanting class reset will kill this game, the players enjoying the game arent coming here in forum because they are too busy playing the game. you arent the majority. most people dont want pay to win class resets it will ruin the immersive experience of class and skill-tree’s

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#13

and all this will keep geting worse, as they release more ranks and level cap increases

if they don’t give us some kind of class reset, i think ill end up quiting for good when rank 9 hits lol

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#14

tldr, class reset n better scaling ?

#15

lol I’d rather have something to do than not to have something to do. before people are complaining there’s nothing to do, now people are complaining there’s so much to do.

this is an MMO, it SHOULD have a lots of things to do.

I’ll only agree with class reset if they have released all classes. but class reset every rank? personally I’m not in favor of that.

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#16

have u ever got to high level with more than one char?
when u have to saluus everyday (even with 1 char) its NOT COOL…

#17

I’m complaining that every single run you’ve ever done on your main has been completely wasted if you have to roll again and start over. Your new main has to do it all again from scratch. If you have rolled another character to do this then you are automatically “behind” everyone… and every character you make is also behind. People are still Transcending their weapons and forget that there are other gear pieces to work on too. What about when you reroll a character when the level cap is much higher? You’ll be competing against players who have 4+ fully transcended pieces and your character is months and months behind lol

Gemini, thank you.

I can hit 200 in less time than that and without X8 tomes. But I get what you’re saying. Lv200 ≠ 280 though, or 330, or 480 etc etc etc. 600 levels is a long time to invest in one character that can be invalidated over night.[quote=“joeswaaz, post:12, topic:329087”]
most people dont want pay to win class resets
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Yeah, I don’t either. As I said above. Hopefully they never make their way to a cash shop. I don’t see what’s wrong with giving one in an event, or making it so that only the last class circle is reset, etc etc.

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#18

200 in less than 2 days?? without x8 exp tome? are you for real?

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