Another Information Session with Papaya

[Nirimetus]

I will again act like the bad guy here:

The developers, not just the GM’s, check the forumsThe devs are aware of the community’s discontent

Then why they don’t answer us? I am not asking them to answer every single thread, but pick a big one, answer, and keep on the discussion.

Also, most of the GM answers are short or vague. Are they afraid of answer something they shouldn’t?

ITOS is ahead of KTOS in optimisation

I highly doubt, I will try check for a confirmation, if it really is I will correct this part.

I just confirmed with a friend that play over there that it is true, although, it is been applied today in KR a patch that will make it like ours.

GM’s are unable to address banning/reprimanding entirely on their own

Even with concrete proof? I know not all of the reports have concrete proof, but most do have, even the hacking and exploits ones.

Weekly Q&A was changed as a direct result of community feedback (It’s now the Blog like posts)

Why not do it at the Forums? Is really that hard to do it here? Well, at least it is better than FB.

The botting problem is not as big as many think
The high level botting is complicated though, it’s difficult for GM’s to have conclusive proof

Can I start laugh now? Or should I wait till the end of my quoting?

Many of the exploits players claim to exist, do not actually exist
IMC would have rolled back the servers if many of them were actually true

Another thing that i doubt, they keep refusing to account type lock the chat commands, we still have some channel crashes, we have people using certain hacking to enable something (maybe a GM buff).

Papaya wishes GM’s had more authority

Then they can’t be called GMs, they are more like a community managers (pretty bad at it imo).

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Thank you @OP to go after some answers, even tho for me, they aren’t satisfactory.

[MagicOne]

Even with concrete proof? I know not all of the reports have concrete proof, but most do have, even the hacking and exploits ones.

Well there are videos of certain famous botters and then this Soviet hook46, and that wasn’t enough for a ban, so I’m interested in what sort of criteria IMC wants from their GMs to be proof enough to take action.

Seems videos isn’t enough, IMC wants GMs to see for themselves before taking action.

[ophiuchu]

I highly doubt, I will try check for a confirmation, if it really is I will correct this part.

So how was the new Optimization measure?

[image] [image] [image] [image] [image] [image] Nice multi-threading performance update™ Was a bit excited to get home and only see disappointment. Like I’ve said before the only fix for this game is to actually utilize your GFX card unless you use the glide wrapper method for a quick work around.

Here’s an anecdotal claim of how far ahead we are in optimization. Guess I just photoshop the 15 FPS.

[Nirimetus]

Seems videos isn’t enough, IMC wants GMs to see for themselves before taking action.

The thing is, they don’t look at videos, and even if they do, they won’t go check for themselves.

Now that I got some answers from this thread I ask:

If they don’t have power, who the heck handle the bans?

Here’s an anecdotal claim of how far ahead we are in optimization. Guess I just photoshop the 15 FPS.

I just got confirmation and the claims of Papaya are real, although, in today’s KR patching seem to be making changes to optimize like ours. (btw i will go change my own post up there for that part)

[MagicOne]

The thing is, they don’t look at videos, and even if they do, they won’t go check for themselves.

Now that I got some answers from this thread I ask:

If they don’t have power, who the heck handle the bans?

Maybe Kim himself micromanages bans

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Ya I really want to believe that IMC reads this forum and honestly cares about ITOS but their actions to this point have only proven ONE thing.

The TP Shop is their top priority and 9 out of every 10 game patches we have recieved for the last 7 months have been all TP shop additions and 1 to 2 minor visual or quest glitch fixes which the majority of us never even knew existed.

I’m unhappy with their current performance as well. Although I would like to point out, adding things like emotes and costumes are mostly an artists job, and if the artist is waiting for more content then they (she) has to do something. IMC’s revenue model partially relies on Costumes, I don’t blame them for that one unless it really is taking time away from the developers.

Then why they don’t answer us? I am not asking them to answer every single thread, but pick a big one, answer, and keep on the discussion.

Also, most of the GM answers are short or vague. Are they afraid of answer something they shouldn’t?

This is something I’ve brought up a few times to Papaya, it seems like one of the primary purposes of the CM is do exactly that.

Even with concrete proof? I know not all of the reports have concrete proof, but most do have, even the hacking and exploits ones.

I think this has to do with the authority they have.

Why not do it at the Forums? Is really that hard to do it here? Well, at least it is better than FB.

That’s what these threads are for:

Balance Talk: Jan 26, 2017

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But it would be nice to get a dedicated section or some Staff discussion. They may be holding off waiting for a qualified CM.

Then they can’t be called GMs, they are more like a community managers (pretty bad at it imo).

I’m not sure what exactly their authority is.

Thank you @OP to go after some answers, even tho for me, they aren’t satisfactory.

You’re welcome, these aren’t prepared at all so a lot of them are just off the cuff from Papaya.

I will again act like the bad guy here:

No bad guys here.

Seems videos isn’t enough, IMC wants GMs to see for themselves before taking action.

I think that’s exactly it.

I just got confirmation and the claims of Papaya are real, although, in today’s KR patching seem to be making changes to optimize like ours. (btw i will go change my own post up there for that part)

Thanks for the confirmation, that’s what I saw and I thought I went crazy for a moment.

[Nirimetus]

But it would be nice to get a dedicated section or some Staff discussion. They may be holding off waiting for a qualified CM.

They had one, not gonna name anyone here, but she was a hella good one.[quote=“Queue, post:27, topic:346371”]
Thanks for the confirmation, that’s what I saw and I thought I went crazy for a moment.
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I just got another info, in the test server (KR) they are implementing more optimization methods, so we have to wait a few days or weeks for more good info on it.

[Queue]

They had one, not gonna name anyone here, but she was a hella good one.

RIP “J”

I just got another info, in the test server (KR) they are implementing more optimization methods, so we have to wait a few days or weeks for more good info on it.

Yup! They mentioned how the update we received was not everything they had been working on and Papaya helped to confirm it. The KTEST was a great idea.

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ITEST when?

[Sciguma]

The botting problem is not as big as many think
The high level botting is complicated though, it’s difficult for GM’s to have conclusive proof

Proof what is proof? I see nothing - nananana. Nice joke indeed.

[EU] schwarznagger's Bot Army

Server : Fedimian Team Name : windows95 Stallone_ Stathem Location : Dina Bee Approximate date / time (EDT) : Pretty much 24/7 Evidence [image] @STAFF_Max @GM_Francis These three bots are schwarznaggers bot army. windows95 already botting for ages with an Archer (see forum), Stathem is a taunt bot (Swash Buckle) and Stallone_ a Pyro/Warlock Bot running close to 24/7 at the moment boosting the new windows95 bot. Given that schwarznagger is boosting his chars at the same ti…

Sidenote: Of course still running 24/7 on 3ch and leeching up more for probably 6 channels botting.

[4zamarin]

Then why they don’t answer us? I am not asking them to answer every single thread, but pick a big one, answer, and keep on the discussion.

Its because people here on the forum dont know how to keep a discusion. Am I wrong? All the huehue toxic people come to the thread and change the conversation and subject completely. Thats why they dont follow a thread, because people cant keep on thread subject and not be toxic. Simple as that.

If i were a GM, why the hell would i have to go through 250+ messages when only 50 are talking about the subject and rest are just complaining without giving arguments and being toxic? I wouldnt do it. I would log in game (like they do) and stay on for a while and answer questions.

[kurayami1234]

Isnt papaya some tasty fruit?

huehue

[Nirimetus]

Its because people.here on the forum dont know how to keep a discusion. Am I wrong? All the huehue toxic people come to the thread and change the conversation and subject completely.

I agree with you in a part, the HUE thing (including me too) started exactly because they don’t answer us, we have to guess what is what, even skill formulas we need to guess, we have to try and fix the game issues or by pass them ourselves.

Ticket responses are all the same copy and paste, as most of the answers in the forum by the staff are also copy and paste.

There is no excuse to both sides, but their side also is not in the right.

[4zamarin]

Ofcourse! But sincerely they are improving, trying to make stuff better and forum is just getting worse. Until people dont stop being dumbasses and huehue, im guessing they wont start answering properly in threads (because they have too much shyt to read when its not even helpfull, just toxic)

[Nirimetus]

Ofcourse! But sincerely they are improving, trying to make stuff better and forum is just getting worse. Until people dont stop being dumbasses and huehue, im guessing they wont start answering properly in threads (because they have too much shyt to read when its not even helpfull, just toxic)

If they remain quiet, things will only worse, if they take their time to honestly answer, and as i said, not all the threads, but the ones that we are having an actually discussion, you would be sure that things would be better by now.

[4zamarin]

For sure! I completely agree but still u cant deny theres too much toxic messages and huehue in EVERY thread. Its pointless to make a thread because they INSTANTLY join the thread and start being dumbasses. Its hard to work with people like that. I agree on their stupid automated replies, which is annoying but hopefully when they get a true manager for the forum, stuff will start getting personally replied (like the old old gm we had that was a GEM because she really cared, wont say the name, everybody knows who im talking about)

[kurayami1234]

Heyhey, be civil now. You dont own Tree of Forums!
You cant exclude people cause their ideology differs from yours.
huehue has become a sort of forum religion over time.

So… stop embarassing yourself!

[Nirimetus]

I’m not denying anything, indeed some threads get hijacked by some people here, but IF a staff join the discussion, as long as the main topic is a serious one, and talk with us, I doubt that would last long, also, I would flag any crap that could disturb the discussion as I know many would do that too, we want to talk, we want some answers, we aren’t asking for their bank account or social security numbers.

I don’t see why they have to hide or avoid us.

[4zamarin]

Well as I said, as soon as they get a new manager for forum, threads and stuff will personally be replied (like the old days). Hopefully thats soon enough!

[kurayami1234]

Will they get a manager just for the forums?
I thought that was the job for janitors and interns who dont even speak english…

huehue

[yeule]

Confirmation of DPK

Papaya does not like the DPK dropping system
Papaya does not know why they chose it
It has been discussed, and rebalance is possible

Yas pls, do something about dpk.