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An efficient system to ban KSers

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#41

Jesus christ, you’re a swordsman and you’re complaining about KSing? You have an AoE auto attack what are you even doing with your life. You just want to have everything handed to you and anyone who’s better than you or does something you don’t like you think deserves a ban? The game is too crowed currently and you just have to deal with the fact you’re able to play this game because everything is just getting deleted in a month. Also it’s not robbing someone it’s survival of the fittest. You’re a hero battling to be the strongest and save etc, if you want mercy because your mind is weak and you can’t handle competition then get out. If you die in the game you die in real life. You’re so angry PJSalt.

In the live release with 20 channels and buff spawned rates of all sections of the maps where monsters spawn I’ll agree we can ban KSers. It’s a problem you have to deal with for now though. One-hundred Fifty-thousand people is a lot to work with.

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#42

Did your forget what I said on original post?

I think I forgot to add “will” in my sentence. If that’s the cause you’re talking so much nonsense, I hope this fix your mind.
I don’t care if someone is banned on CBT, but I DO care about a future reliant system that we can use to report those people. I don’t know if you know, but some publishers don’t accept videos as evidence and it’s extremely difficult to prove a KS with just screenshots.

Man…
Just… Shut up, please. Where did that come from?

#44

This… isn’t English, is it? I can’t read this at all.

Also, you’re promoting bad behaviour and exploiting an old system. Don’t do that.

From what I’ve seen, the game actually does divy out based on contribution to a mob, but items still go round robin. I’ll get a portion of experience for what I’ve done. The only nuisance is the item distribution, but because of the economy I don’t think having the items drop per-player is a good idea (Like on Phantasy Star Online 2, each player sees a different item drop, and picking it up doesn’t affect other players.)

@cakezthehusky69 Please stop. Just. Completely.

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#45

This will mess up with the oracle preview skill.

You are playing with a suport class, you are not supose to go solo…

From what I can gather, the xp is divided between the players.
the big problem is with respect to the items …

Guys, we have a problem at hand, we do not get locked into a single solution.

First of all, distance, if you attack a monster and distance themselves from him, you automatically lose right on xp and drop.
So archers could not tag mobs and leave.

If you go too long without attacking a mob, you lose right on it (lets say 20 seconds). So even if you do not distance from a mob, if you are not attacking him, another person can kill him.

Another rule, add a maximum of marked mobs, say 10, so even if a player can attack several mobs (respecting the rule of 20 seconds and distance), he can just get X mobs of an area, enabling other players play without problem.

And the last one, Quest items always fall to all who contributed to the death of the mob, respecting the above rules.

no Ks ban please, as an archer I think that’s a bad idea. Imagine that I see a monster near the limit of my screen and resolve attack him. but as the monster was near the end of my area of ​​vision I did not see that he had a wizard preparing a spell. I cannot undo my damage, but its not my fault.
Plus when using normal attack, the game gives target to a mob in the direction I’m looking, and sometimes it’s hard to avoid attacking mob of another player. (read lag)

#46

Quite the sour crowd here.

Banning players for kill stealing is a bit intense don’t you think?

Otherwise if the player just continues following you just to steal all yours mobs, that’s considered harassment and that is a ban-able offense. If a person steals a twinkie from a store, should that be a life sentence?

I’ve noticed if you’re kill gets stolen you still get the some credit for exp and some items as long you worked for it. Archers have it rough since they are currently extremely skill reliant, their auto attacks are chicken scratch compared to the other classes who hit pretty darn hard as well as AoE to boot. We’ve only got Oblique Shot for a spammable attack that can only hit 2 mobs. ):

It does sort of suck that you’re starting on killing a mob and some random guy blows it up and takes all the credit, but that shouldn’t ruin your whole gaming experience. Give it a second or two and a new target pops up. And with the sheer amount of mobs that spawn, you’ll have just the same amount of opportunity to kill a monster just like everyone else. Though I do feel bad for everyone to farm and grind at those spots when someone needs to get a quest done.

#47

I should also mention I resolve to kill mobs when people are being followed, since I’m never sure if they’re in immediate danger and figure I’m helping.

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#48

i don’t like KS too but i wonder how KS work in this game like how the exp or the loots work if they ks you or you ks them

#49

Given how this game is aoe based, it’s very hard to stop accidental ks. It’s too chaotic.

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#50

Why do you think I should? You want to own maps too? Share the EXP with everyone like these people keep saying they should. KSing isn’t a bannable offense until it turns into blatant harassment, bans are not something a player should get for KSing. A solution is needed for people to move to a place that’s empty if they desire. Everything is overcrowded. I don’t get any of you entitled people.

#51

I think we’d get along.

No need for a ban for this, just be reasonable with each other. Sometimes I realize the group of mobs I just killed was something someone else gathered. Sorry emote is easy, and on my linker I’ll link a bunch of enemies next to them and run off as an apology.

If a big group comes through and decides to wipe out the enemies I’ve gathered, then I’ll just start killing whatever they’re working on for a bit.

#52

No, I mean, you’re being pretty gross in general. Stop being gross. It’s not difficult. Do you feel entitled to be gross, too? That, and you directly contradict yourself by stating people are entitled and telling them they should have their own places to go, while stating earlier that it’s simply not possible (Probably half true, I can’t imagine Amazon’s CDN is the best place for this sort of thing, as well as general channel balance issues.)

I’m not going to stop and praise a broken and system when it needs fixing out of fear it’ll get taken away. When that happens, I can fall back on private servers or leave, knowing the thing was going to hell in a handbasket anyways.

Yes, experience is shared, but we’re still trying to examine how item distribution works and how to fix that. I’d still be all for modifying the item drop system at the cost of a class.

#53

Sorry for being gross. The OP is just super angry about the topic and banning isn’t a solution that I think is right for it. Based off his emotions I reacted the same way, my apologies, I have problems.

I am contradicting myself. I spent like 10 minutes trying to convince myself I wasn’t. The OP just got me riled up. People should get their own maps and should all get the optimal max EXP that they want. The solution isn’t banning and complaining on the forums about them right now. For now he should deal with the overcrowding and just give his bitter feedback like he did. You can’t help the KSing right now if you want to level in the low levels.

By all means don’t praise the flawed system. It’s a highly flawed game right now. I just went back to a level 60 area and the amount of people in the same map looked horrendous. I’m glad I’m in my 90s.

I’ll probably take my leave now.

#54

Man, what the heck? Are you high or something? Can’t you parse properly? Or do you want attention so bad?
I tell him to shut up because he is making words that I’ve never said.

Apparently you’re a troll or something like that, so I will not feed you anymore, sorry.

#55

Yeah, english isn’t my native language, but telling me that you can’t understand a thing is pure bullsh*t. If you want to offend me with this, you failed. Or if you really can’t understand nothing that I type, don’t even bother replying this comment.

And what do you mean “promoting bad behaviour and exploiting an old system”? KS is a serious problem and can make a MMO gameplay pretty lame if the community accept that as a normal behaviour.

Maybe later on I can record something, but I’m sure that I was prejudiced because of that. Quests that I have to kill a specific monster, then I find one, do a simple hit with auto attack, take some HP from that monster (20%~30%) and before I can continue with my killing, some other player just shows up and BAM, Overkill and my quest counter didn’t register a kill. And this is not something that happened to me just once, but several times already.

#56

Add more than one channel, problems solved

#57

My archer using oblique shot as his main attack, it hits two mobs for decent damage. I have no control over who the second arrow hits. Should I be banned because it decides to hit your mob even though I have no control? There are a lot of skills that you would need to worry about. You need to think this out better.

#58

I think I didn’t state on the orignal post, but yeah, banning permanently a player because one KS it’s intense. But what if that same players keep doing this, again and again? I think it’s not wise to keep a toxic player like that playing the game the way he/she wants and “f*ck everyone else”.

As I stated before, KS can disrupt a quest progress and it’s very annoying.

And don’t think I got KSed a couple of times and then come here and make a topic about that. It’s happening ofter now and I believe this is becoming a normal behaviour, unfortunately.

#59

You’re not going to get rid of it with the way the game is currently setup. The grind spots are too small, skills too unwieldy, targetting hit or miss, maps too crowded, and a host of other problems. The only way to solve this is to give everyone who hits a mob full credit. Anything less means more gms needed to police this issue, which is money that could have been spent developing the game instead.

#60

That’s why I stated:

*My bad, I said “for” instead of “to”.

Be able to send videos can make GMs life much easier, because they will be able to analyse properly if that action was an intentional KS or not.

#61

Yeah, I agree with you. I’m not asking this for vengeance, but because I don’t want to be frustraded when I play this game.
I’ll not complain if they can make this anti-KS system that you suggested.