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Am I missing something? Maybe another quiting player

As some people pointed, this seems to be a game for people who like
grinding for the grind itself, like a therapy, repetitive (thus relaxing
instead of intense) gameplay.

Very true. I’m a GM/RL in WoW and for me, ToS is a relaxing experience in its simplicity. It’s all about theorycrafting and playing it out. No recruitment or big groups to manage, no strategies to prepare and lead, no different roles to criticize and logs to scrutinize. It’s just play with a smallish group and grind. That, to me, is refreshing.

I have been present in the majority of past AAA MMO launches. I’m an MMO enthusiast and have been part of it since early MUDS predating MMOs (Kesmai/Drakkar). If I’m interested in something I try it. If I’m interested enough, I stick around. If not, I move on. In this case, I would advise you to move on. I think you’ve laid out the game’s faults pretty clearly and I don’t think there will be any thing drastic in the near future to shift your view. It’s a niche game and pretty polarizing in that regard, but the game knows that and I don’t see any indication of diverging from their core design. Niche as it is, it has its audience, after all.

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Hey Niko, how are you. I hope you don’t mind but your post couldn`t be understood.

Your first reference to League of Legends gameplay expectations comes from nowhere, because I didn`t really want it to be anything like League of Legends neither have I said anything that might lead you to think that…

so… idk why you said such things… But no, this isn`t what I expected, and I said already what I expected on 2 or 3 different posts before yours, so if you are curious you are more than welcome to read the thread.

Next we have… What is that? an attempt to try to figure out my thought process? or a strawman maybe? idk… sorry doesn`t really make sense.

The first 2 premises contradict themselves in the sense that if my ToS description describes MMO beautifully then ToS should not be different from any MMO that I listed…

If what I listed, describes ToS, but doesn`t describe all others MMOs, that means I described ToS and others that are like ToS, but not all MMOs.

(which was my point counterarguing people that were saying my description standed for all mmos and that I couldn’t provide a name of a MMO that did not fit that description, which I did by saying gw2, that many agreed doesn’t fit my ToS description)

Edit: Like what ahk.zero said (which you liked), despite I already had explained before why this statement is wrong. But I guess people just like to repeat conclusively refuted shitty arguments over and over as a form of provocation.

While the third (which I assume would be a conclusion) isn`t something that I said or what I think either, or even something that can be deduced from the premises… My complaint its that ToS its too repetitive and has few interesting things to do on it, and this is not the same to say its bad.

If you want to figure out what I think or why I think, take your time to actually read the whole thread instead of making up something and saying its my logic.

After you do that, if you have any questions that wasn`t answered already to your satisfaction I will gladly answer them.

ToS is low on content and much of the things you may want to farm you will only have a couple of attempts to do per day, or to even experience that content per day.

As a recently released (December) MMO it is common to not have a lot to do, even for Triple A games.
If you’re looking for a game product with more polish you’ll generally want an older MMO or a Single player game (Single player typically is less hours invested but less “filler”).

You mentioned GW2 for one but there’s also FFXIV, ESO, WoW, and thousands of others.

It’s completely fair to not enjoy ToS in its current state, it is admittedly very bare bones at the current time. You may want to play other games, take on other hobbies or work on more productive things in the meantime. The game is more than likely not going anywhere in a year. So if you take some time off it’ll be back and improved when you return.

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Thanks for being sincere.

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@Edoinkun World Of Warcraft. lol.