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Alright, im curious, just what is THE tank build?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

I seen alot flying around, hell even builds with shinobi in em, but then I heard that the real tank build, is a Pelt 3, SQUIRE 3, and Murmillo. Now Pelt I understand, Squire though? I am guessing, due to Arrest binding down enemies and they have some sorta ability that can double the amount of HP they themselves can have? Also able to add defense and dmg to equipment?

I am also guessing they also go full con? Or do they add Dex to the mix for Evasion and the ability to crit? Would love some insight on this.

#2

Having more HP is not always the solution anymore.

Rank 8 mobs hit so hard that as soon as you hit that swash buckling button, it doesn’t matter if you have 30k hp or 60k hp, you’ll still die in a couple seconds.

Hell, I have a full CON kabbalist 1 that can reach 100k hp with Ein Sof and he can’t tank stuff without pulling everything with swash buckling.

The thing is, Pelt 3 Squire 3 is trying too hard to be the “old school” tanker. It might work well until rank 7, but at rank 8 you’ll start facing some big problems.

And It’s not just a matter of tanking stuff, it’s now also a matter of keeping stuff aggro’ing you as well. When mobs start getting 300k hp, the provoke you get from Swash Buckling doesn’t cut it anymore. You can imagine Swash Buckling’s provoke as a static value as if you dealt 100k damage to every mob around you. Now when mobs get 300k hp and you can’t keep up with other rank 8 dps, other party members will naturally steal the aggro from what you’re trying to tank.

For the above mentioned reasons, people are now seeking other methods of mitigating damage and keeping aggro. Skills like Restrain will provide CC so that mobs don’t hit you and make the whole tanking life easier. Slithering provides magic damage immunity during 10 seconds so you can tank stuff right after using Swash Buckling, but remember, you might lose the aggro during those 10 seconds if you just keep Slithering.

Now, regarding DEX and evasion, I’m never building a full CON character anymore that’s not 100% pvp oriented. That squire build probably would go full CON, but DEX brings so much more benefits that I don’t even know where to begin with. A mix of DEX/CON works a lot better in any pvm tank due to evasion and the fact DEX also gives you some dps.

“Tanks” are in a very weird place right now. It’s much easier to CC stuff or become invencible through a skill than try to mitigate monsters damage through sheer amount of hp.

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#3

Hmm…well IMC did break the game with this update, so figured it wouldnt be so simple.

#4

Woah. That’s intense. Almost makes me regret going with my Squire build.

Then again I’m not going for a full tank build, im more of a support Offtank. I truly hope they change the whole weapon mainteinance skill and allow Squires to open shop in dungeons, so they can buff people for a small amount. I mean you honestly make like 50k+ in every dungeon past lvl 90. So spending 5k for a GOOD (lvl 10-15) buff would be definetly more useful for a class like the Squire. :thinking:

Ranked as a support swordsman class yet not being able to assist in any other way than Arrest seems REALLY stupid to me.

But that’s just my opinion. I hope later they modify something because the Squire class seems to end up as a vendor class that can help around in parties, but truly, when push comes to shove. Squires are lacking in dungeons and when we talk about real MvPing.

#5

I think squire is still great for tanking because of how much you need to repair when tanking anything. I don’t know that pelt3 is the way to go though. Hoplite 2 (stabbing in particular) with max attribute provoke is usually enough to keep aggro.

Honestly though? I dunno how a tank fits into this game, strictly speaking. A full DPS swordsman is just as well because you can manually dodge most types of attacks. Someone standing there holding a shield is such a hit to your party’s overall DPS.

#6

swaaz has been special summoned

please feel free to take opinions by players who dont even play pelt3squire3 and go by what their cookie cutter build friends told them about how squire is useless

im sure nobody here wants a 100% boss CC (arrest) + duration of all party buffs extended by 300% (base camp lv10)

not to mention the fact squire food gives +32% hp and +3 aoe attack ratio for 3 hours

pelt = CC squire = support murmillo = dps. most murmillos dont even use their rode skills, since rode is and always will be sh1t. to the genius who said pelt3squire3’s would “start having problems” when reaching r8 is literally the exact opposite of the truth. murmillo carries hard, and i cant stop laughing at people who feel the need to have opinions on subjects they personally have not even tried.

cant stop the social media mentality sadly though, and its caused many people to only go with cookie cutter pre-approved builds, is a real shame with how complex and diverse the skill tree’s can be.

#7

Sound about right. Pelt 3 Squire 3 Murmillo it is.

#8

plz just shut the ■■■■ up, rode give you 200% of strike dmg increase in a low cd skills… a murmillo wants to ignore that? nope.

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#10

This what tanking really is. Doesnt matter what method you use as long as you get the job done of what tanking really is.

#11

swaaz has been summoned to smash.

#12

I agree that squire is better for tank build after i saw rank8 monsters. Rodelero is a dps build for that matter. On the other hand i disagree with no using Rodel skills, they are my best skills after the new skill of murmillo that have great aoe range and uses the shield to attack.

I have Pelta3 Rodel3 and i do not regret a bit because it gets the job done but squire in the place of Rodel would be much better for tanking/supporting.

#13

I have pelt3 squire3 I still not see much point of going squire3 for tanking
repair is useful for economy and help save time when do party grind, but we can just use teleport scroll and repair service from squire shop.
refreshment table/camping we can just use it and change to another character that has more usable skill while combat.

now it’s come to arrest the more lv the more targets, duration stay the same.
It seem go squire3 might benefit going grind party vs mobs, but not gain anything significant vs boss compare to squire1.

IMO I’d leave it at squire1 or no squire, and pick other class to do more dmg for generate enough aggro for tanking sw.

#14

I understand, if you want to deal more damage than rodel is the best for you but if you have the money to fund youur equipments, squire would be better. The buffs could be done by an alt squire, i would personally trade my damage from rodel 3 to a squire 3 support abilitys just because right now, soloing is not even feaseable and i can use murmillo skills to hold aggro.

Edit: but i have to say, leveling prior to lv 190 and questing solo prior to lv 280 would be a â– â– â– â– â– â– â–  nightmare.

#15

Quick question iam not squire and i would like to know about this :

Which one?

Thanks

#16

it’s max %HP from salad food from refreshment table.

+aoe atk ratio is new food that recently implement something like BBQ I think?

#17

the point is, if your goal is to tank at r8 you need the big number that murmillo can do ONLY when he picks rode for those massive numbers coming of from the strike boost, squire offer great things but those last only at r7 and even in that place he cannot hold up the aggro, otherwise as i’m planning to do on one of my alt is to have an squire3 and my murmillo rodelero that way i have mitigation against magic, foods and a source of income.

#18

How would that be possible, if you take squire 3 there is no space for rodel.
The big numbers are for aggro generation and he can still do it with murmillo.

#19

you still can have the squire food table around for your own rodelero ( for that purposo level another character to r7 as an squire c3), murmillo without rodelero 3 cannot even scratch what the others R8 can do, that 200% of dmg increase is almost mandatory for tanking, because doppelc3 and fencerc3 can pretty much hit for like 2m in less that ten seconds a boss.

#20

Don’t take swaaz seriously. Don’t feed him because he had a hard time killing popolions(with so much difficult) for a long time before rank 8, now with rank 8 he can kill infrorocktors.
As Baadaq suggested, take an alt for squire 3 and go to you rodel/murmilo.