You can do a full SPR Priest 3, Monk and it’ll still do decent damage because of the Blessing change, with the difference that you’ll also give 4 other people a substantial damage boost. More often then not given the change from a party perspective, that build will be stronger than previous Priest 3 monks.
5 people hitting for 400+ extra damage per hit is going to be a lot of extra party dps, and you’ll have a strong Stoneskin.
New Strats.
Rather than monk wouldn’t chaplain be a better fit for that sort of build since aspersion/ligium scales with int/spr, last rite for additional line of dmg + another line of blessing & you get 100% uptime for stone skin due to Capella? Blessing is a flat additional damage that scales with int/spr and is not taken into account in the damage formula, whereas all monk skills are physical attack based which scales well with str/dex.
I wouldn’t recommend building a monk just around blessing.
You don’t need to spread at all.
Monk has inherently higher damage output than Chaplain.
You’re basically trading Chaplains extra support for more damage while still providing significant party DPS and support as a SPR Monk.
/advanced strats.
To put it another way.
230 stat points r7.
In STR it’ll be 476 Strength From a base of 9 so you gained 467 damage that is affected by modifiers including Enhance attributes.
In SPR it’ll be 301 Spirit from a base of 8 so you gained 293 Spirit.
Now for the new Blessing.
its 84% scaling + 170 @ level 15.
422 damage not affected by Modifiers.
Mind you a Full STR Priest still gets damage out of blessing as well.
However
That 422 will go to your party members Frost Clouds, Cyclones, Poisons, etc. Overall the damage contribution is higher. In PvE your parties Block rate is substantially higher via Stoneskin and you heal for more.
All in All, you are in no way a less valuable party member as a SPR priest 3 Monk. From a party perspective you bring far more as a Priest 3 Monk if you’re SPR invested with a level 15 Blessing.
Your Individual damage output is lower than a STR/Dex Monk, but your overall damage and party contribution is higher.
So Priest 3 can still be a potent combination with Monk in multiple ways.
Though I assume a fair amount of people play Solo, so the benefits of that can’t reach them anyways.
screwd over? what?
Toss away blessing, go revive and mass-heal,aspersion,sacra,or even ressurection…
(For armor) hell priest itself bring a whole lot of ■■■■ to the field its not even joking about it…
Everything is useful >_> Use your head… blessing is for priests SPR build that can’t for on their own…
Monks can hit ■■■■ dealing decent to insane damage with the new STR buffs… also strike bonus damage from swordies if you party with them… “LEARN TO ADAPT”
Yeah, now Blessing is for priest SPR build - now, indeed. Before, it wasn’t. And therein lies the issue.
The purpose of a dps build is dealing damage, and spends its stats to do so. If a spirit-based build ends up having bigger or similar attack bonuses, and party-wide nonetheless, it means something must have gone really wrong.
Either they give monks some attribute that provides an alternative scaling with certain skills, or they put some priests skill scaling with something else other than int and spr. If the class doesn’t provide a way to use those skills, and makes you inferior in any way compared to people who takes those other stats you won’t have an use for, why should you get that class to begin with? People will just avoid going priest if they want to do a monk, and that’s it.
Mhhh…20fuckoffcharacters fix it imc kkthxbye
your typically telling =3=" the game to balance and let STR to scale with blessing… (i was pretty sure blessing is just pure damage…)
If you didn’t take paladin at R4 @_@"
Its technically their fault because priest C3 scales with SPR HARDCORE… due to stone skin 4x scaling to SPR…
It was freaking coming!?
Also it didn’t change anything…
to be honest did they nerf it? No…
Did they make it scale with int and Spr?: yes…
Either chunk some SPR and reroll to a chaplain or just go STR and adapt…
Because in all honesty i made a priest and non-scaling blessing was BLOODY HELL TO solo quest WITH… since SPR gives literally no DPS and only defence…
What does monk have?
(=3= don’t tell yourself you didn’t receive any offensive skills)
Monk still does it role buffed blessing or not…
"You wanted a hybrid and you got it~"
Hybrids are never really mean’t to do best at both roles…
Otherwise whats the point of pure supports?
So suck it up… (Babies)
Because giving such an offensive bonus upon a non-offensive stat and screwing over subsequent hybrid classes makes much sense instead, right?
Such an idiotic argument. It did comparatively nerf hybrid builds, since due to how the stats work, by spreading them you will end up with much lower stats.
Whereas before, as far as blessing go, you did offer the same bonus of anybody else. Same for sacrament. It didn’t matter if you were a dps build or a support one, you offered the same offensive capabilities.
Now a support gets better offensive capabilities than an actual dps build. So much for logic, eh.
As it should be. You aren’t spending points in offensive stats, after all. You tell me to “Either chunk some SPR and reroll to a chaplain or just go STR and adapt…” but you didn’t want to do the same to gain some attack? Quite some hypocrisy i see.
The point of a support is, indeed, supporting. Not providing more dps than an hybrid. What’s the point of an hybrid then, if you get a buff that gives better party-wide damage just by going support?
^ Talking nonsense.
SPR is a utility stat that provides a myriad of effects depending on certain skills.
Blessing is a party buff, and given that SPR is stated as 1 of 3 prime stats for Clerics, it’s very consistent that SPR provides Blessing a boost.
Note
STR/INT scaling is 1:1 where as Blessing 15 is 0.84 and recieves no Rank bonus.
STR/INT are still higher damage contributors on an individual level, but as a Support making other people stronger and safer, SPR is the best stat for Priest’s, as it should be, and of course affects Blessing as a party buff on Clerics.
Nothing is inconsistent here and it completely makes sense.
with no spr invested my blessing got +30 increase, that is winning to me lol
?!? Is there anything that I said to confuse you?
I didn’t complain about carve attack original dmg, and I said the dmg buff that they gave to carve attack this patch is negligible, combines that with carve attack’s slow animation, hard to land full 5-hits & with tiny hitbox => this patch won’t make carve attack anything significant important for Monk.
I stand by my point that no matter if you’re Priest/Monk or Diev/Monk, you’ll still use Double Punch for all purposes. Don’t complain you didn’t take diev & carve attack got buffed (bcoz you won’t need it!) lol
Actually carved attack is very easy to land 5 hits. It won’t hit any other monster unless the targeted monster died in less than 5 hits then the other hits will land on the nearest monster. And also carved attack is very powerful against monsters that are weak against pierce like Harpeia in the 130 dungeon.
*Facepalm you didn't get the point?*
“Your hybrid build wasn’t fcked to begin with…”
"The buff was made for SPR build classes"
They will still deal less dps than you Due to the nature of the skill
For 2 SPR they gain 1 Dps + more lines?: AS A PRIEST that went SPR
you will still be useful for revive and aspersion since they can't max both spell due to limited Skill points
Your whining your party dps buff sucks than them... Naturally because they were built for support...
As a monk:
your str give you 2dps + armor pen due to the nature of your offensive skills...
you will still be chunking double punch regardless...
Bich please you solo well enough and complain about them now being able to solo now...
(They did this to prevent priest becoming anti-fun for solo player.
Ofcourse you never went SPR and went STR... and never felt that pain did you? good for you...
To be honest this wasn't a nerf to your class its a buff? why the hell are you complaining: Go add SPR it wont matter much when you realize only 10% of bonus is given and you need A WHOLE lot of investment to SPR to actually make the blessing useful...
"Stone skin wont save you from magic mobs/players"...
Are you saying SPR is like Int that scale 10% per rank
i’m out… you built your class the way you want,
you were never fked to begin with SINCE NOTHING WAS NERFED…
Did you forget about
STrike bonus damage from haha-man buff and mage Lethargy bonuses? OH ITS UP TO THEM TO DECIDE THAT because 100% Bonus damage is CRAP ON BOSSES You use a freaking hammer make use of it…
Learn the game before cryin
making your complaints hilarious…
Because giving such an offensive bonus upon a non-offensive stat and screwing over subsequent hybrid classes makes much sense instead, right?
Idk man… when talking about blessing, we are talking about a buffing skill, not a direct damage skill. Realistically speaking, we bless/praise/giving people courage with our wisdom/spirit , not with our muscle, right?
Ah, so you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Before the changes, SPR gave only defensive bonuses to priest buffs. There was no offensive bonus affected by it. Sacrament? No stat. Blessing? Same, fixed bonus. Monstrance? fixed and percentage bonus (based upon the target’s dex stat).
If you wanted to get some attack, you had to get str. As it should be. You could go monk focusing on its stats and give the same offensive support, while obviously having a worse defensive one and worse healing capabilities.
Now? Just get some spirit, it helps with everything anyway.
Except that 0.84 contribution goes to every member of the party (thus 4.2 total) whereas that 1 str point is still a single point. And since you don’t need to raise str and can focus your stats better, you will even benefit from the bonus points.
Going SPR provides increased damage to the party compared to getting an actual offensive stat and a damage comparable to the one of an hybrid. Why should one even bother making an hybrid priest/monk is a spirit priest/monk works so much better even in the offensive department? There is just no reason to do so.
Despite what you say, this still doesn’t make any sense.
Facepalm
screw it calculations be damned…
attributes be damned…
100% strike bonus damage be damned… from the buffed haha-man
ADdition 100% strike bonus damage be damned from lethargy…
Critical bonus damage be damned…
bleeding scaling from phys dps be damned...
Chance for Armor break for the whole party be damned...
yes yes blessing strongest buff in the game…
~it doesn’t make sense to give priest a buff that increases
The whole party DPS for pure flat damage o3o~
monk is now broken because priest buffs doesn’t scale with STR…
i layed out everything for you, you were not nerfed... The only thing causing you to complain is bitterness that they scale with SPR making their stat more effective =3=
Requiring them to dump 80% of their stats on SPR and 20% Con…
Cough for insane scaling
No other choice now i need to reroll… Cough
Meanwhile thaumaturges:
Buffs for 305 flat magic and physical…
275 defence(Shield) or offense(Dagger) Flat buff…
While adding 140+ int and 24 magic attack…
Without the need of going SPR… Cough
"To make it worse their buffs scales with their current attributes %
well atleast they don’t heal o3o"
Unlike pure damage given by blessing…
wait until imc decides they need a buff because earth tower is rejecting them… (While they add scaling…)
Yeah,a skill or attack may be buffed by those modifiers. But that damage doesn’t depend on str only - you still have the level-based contribution on physical attack, the attack given by the weapon and, if a skill, the attack of the skill itself.
Meanwhile, a point of spirit gives flat 4.2 bonus damage to the whole party, assuming there aren’t additional lines of damage involved (in which case, it gives even more). That’s over four times what a point of strength does in normal conditions. Aside from all the other bonuses spirit gives.
Neither does makes sense making it scale with spirit, seeing as that stat already buffed healing and defensive skills.
It could have been level based (thus non stat-dependant, but still scaling) or be like monstrance, raising a small fixed value and a percentage of str/int, maybe even dependant by the level of blessing.
Obviously that would have meant that a support priest would have ended up dealing terrible physical damage…as it should be.
Yep, you layed out perfectly your ignorance or willingful denial about opportunity costs.
Not that i expect otherwise from someone that complains that support priests dealt terrible damage without realising that’s exactly how it should be.
Thaumaturges/wizards don’t end up with a physical based class in their ranks, at least for now. And neither one that uses spirit, anyway. So they wouldn’t have an use raising those stats in the first place. There is no point in such a comparison.
So, again, what’s the point of getting offensive stats if spirit already gives you a better party-wide offense, defense and healing?
This is already old news, I’ve writenn basically the same post as you now on forum when dat change hit ktos. Overall - yep, you are very right in the matter.
I am full hybrid in every sense, I have priest, monk and PD in my build and this patch does real justice and balance, though i think stone skin should be buffed also from CON
Weird how you’re telling my I don’t know what I’m talking about while literally throwing all the points I already made back at me as if I didn’t say them.
The point of offensive stats is potential.
From a practical standpoint a SPR Priest C3, Monk C3 (as I’ve said multiple times in this thread, I have zero idea why you’re trying to retell it to me) will bring more to a party.
A Priest C3, Monk C3 that is STR based has hypothetically more damage if they’re buffed by another Priest C3.
Basically, STR in this fashion is for hypothetical theory crafting.
Alternatively, if someone decides to focus on other aspects of the Priest kit (Aspersion, Mass Heal, Revive, Resurrection) they may find that the scaling they get out of something like Mass Heal doesn’t justify their SPR investment if they’re taking defensively/preventative/corrective oriented support skills.