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All the Reasons (I can think of) as to why this trade system is bad for the game itself

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#1

Ok, so if i’m being honest here. Obviously i’m in the camp that thinks the token locked trade is an awful idea. But instead of crying along with all the other people i though i’d try to make a list of some possible reasons as to why the trade restriction was just a poor idea to begin with.

I’m coming from the angle that not everyone will have a token so either these problems will be extreme or still just really annoying.

1: when playing with friends you have no way of helping them out by just tossing them enough to cover for potions or repairs. or like if you get a rare sword as a mage, you can’t use it but you can’t give it to your guild member that really wanted that drop either.

2: We already have the potential mechanic which kind of makes a trade restriction on the premise of twinking toons pointless. (and honestly just seems like adding insult to injury if you keep both systems)

3: as was proven on the servers today it literally did nothing to stop its original reason for being, the gold seller. Shout chat in klaipeda was spammed for probably a good 12 hours straight before gms even seemed to step in (action could have been taken sooner but it was definitely drowned out by the spambots.)

4: alchemist weapon awakening is effectively pointless. You can’t really charge people money to awaken their items if you can’t have them trade it to you. and you only really need to awaken your own weapons once.

5: the trading between your own characters is only one slot and STILL REDUCES POTENTIAL AND MAKES THE ITEM UNTRADEABLE. which this honestly is the video game equivalent of your boss making you pay to go to a company event then forcing you to work while you’re there. or you know, a swift kick in the nads.

6: pardoners, alch, and future crafting classes will have to either force their friends and guildies to pay for their items on the auction house/pardoner shop or just be the only person to use them. Which honestly detracts alot from the appeal of these classes.

7: the game is designed around having multiple characters. that’s a direct statement from imc. But without any means to trade (not including the dumb one slot penalty box you get from the token.) there’s absolutely no way to trade between characters on your account. meaning if you dont have a token you’re forced to start from scratch every. single. time. you make a new character. And on top of that you can’t send loot gained on one account to another that can actually use it (see the example above in point 1)

8: today I also learned that EVEN WITH THE TOKEN you still can’t trade silver. what. I don’t think I need to tell anyone exactly how terrible this is for maintaining an economy. adding to the fact that you have to wait 2 days to get silver from an auction house trade this is borderline insane.

A work in progress.

Addendum: yes i bought the 50 dollar pack, but of my group of 3, 1 already quit because of this and the other two expressed either they make enough silver to get premium or they’re going to stop too. They come from a WoW background so that probably exacerbates the issue to them.

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#2

Well summarised.
Now we can only wish IMC has more than one ounce of brain to fix this irrational situation.

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#3

Have already run into this one quite a few times. Kind of silly that we can’t trade equipment to the people we’re playing with…

Unless the Alchemist can target a player and Awaken their equipped item, then this is going to be intensely horribad.

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#4

going from kcbt the way you had to do it was trade the alch your weapon(costing 1 potential), have them awaken (costing one potential), and have them trade back (can you guess what it costs?) thats a 3 potential hit plus whatever they charged you for the fee.

so in my opinion it already had enough of a good cost for it. without adding a pay wall on top

#5

Yuck :confused: That’s not going to end up being very good.

#6

indeed :c kind of a bummer since it’s such a cool mechanic.

#7

Inb4 potential repair scrolls in cash shop, just 10$ for each 1 potential regained.

#8

The thing is with gold sellers if they choose to subscribe to trade then that’s profit for IMC and they’ll get banned rinse and repeat.

I don’t mind the trade system I intend to be subscribed for the duration I’m playing the game so it won’t be an issue at all.

#9

ok, imagine you have a friend join you that doesn’t really want to pay for a game they might not play much. You make another character to level with them and at some point during your questing they spend all of their money on upgrading weapons because we all know that gets deceptively expensive. now they can’t afford to repair their newly upgraded weapons.

Instead of you being able to just toss them like 600silver to fix them you have to go out and farm that and hope they don’t die with broken equipment.

#10

  1. If you both have token you can trade it.

  2. Potential has other reasons to exist (prevent re-seller on materials market, prevent passing an item on indefinitely but without the restriction of ‘soulbound’ mechanic in other games)

  3. Measures taken against goldsellers never amount to ‘stopping’ it outright on the game side, but that it gets tough enough for them to make profit that they quit trying (there’s a difference)…well, in reality if nobody ever buy it they’ll quit eventually so in some way someone somewhere is buying it hence they keep doing it.

  4. I believe Alch can now awaken an item without having to trade it, so this point is moot.

  5. Better than not being able to give that nice epic gear to your alt because it’s already soulbound on pickup.

  6. Token trading…

  7. Collection bonus applies to the team, team level makes leveling alts easier, and last point is once again Token.

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#11

just because you plan on staying subscribed doesn’t mean everyone else will. that includes your casual friends and any guild members you happen to join. Using the arguement that “oh well i’ll be subscribed anyways so it doesn’t matter to me.” Is honestly asinine and extremely short sighted.

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#12

1: if you read i already stated this was fro mthe point that not everyone will have a token

2: i already said that potential was to stop people from twinking/ passing on weapons that way. excuse me for assuming people were smart enough to not need me to elaborate further

3; you can’t expect people to just stop buying it. otherwise gold sellers would already be dead.

4: if you can find that changenote for alch feel free to link it, but as of obt start it wasn’t listed in the changes from cbt2 and KOBT

5: atleast that you can greed roll etc. to give your guild/group a chance of getting it with a need instead.

6: read point one

7: read point one, and collection bonuses are almost too minor to be of much notice in that way, atleast they were before they added all the new collections. It’s too early to tell if they’re useful or not. not sure what the team bonus does, don’t recall it from the korean patch notes either.

#13

This problem only apply to free to play players, so you can simply add one more token to the game, a cheap one that only allow limited trading.

Example:

  • 5 TP - Trading Token - Allow 15 trades, last X days. ( a week maybe )

Since you get free tokens, you just need to play for a while and buy that when you want to trade with othe players without needing to get +100 TP or buy with real cash.
It will be a great way to make money, you can get the token and sell at the AH for a decent price (silver) and boost the economy.

Since the reason is to attack the bots that are created from scratch, they wont be able to sell unless they wait a lot of time to earn those TP, until then measures can be taken to block this bot before he reach this point.

#14

Exactly. I would be willing to stay subscribed but I think that the trading system is extremely unfair on all aspects of the game. Trading is a HUGE interaction within online gaming communities. This will not prevent gold sellers at all.

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#15

that would be alright, but it would still cut into buying the revive crystals which might be a bit annoying. still far better than no trades though.

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#16

[quote=“rofldat, post:10, topic:160307, full:true”]
If you both have token you can trade it.[/quote]

Yeah, cause let’s put a paywall behind a basic game feature that is served as standard in every other MMORPG on the planet. Makes sense.
Oh, even better, let’s say it’s supposed to defeat the goldsellers to rationalise why we want 18$/month from every player who wants to use trade feature. It didn’t stop the goldsellers at all? They found a way? Who cares, we can still make 18$/month easily from players, don’t change the system.

[quote=“rofldat, post:10, topic:160307, full:true”]
Potential has other reasons to exist (prevent re-seller on materials market, prevent passing an item on indefinitely but without the restriction of ‘soulbound’ mechanic in other games)[/quote]

Introducing potential also has other reason to exist, so we can introduce potential repair scrolls in the cash-shop in about 1 year or so. Better sow the seeds early, reap benefits later!

[quote=“rofldat, post:10, topic:160307, full:true”]
Measures taken against goldsellers never amount to ‘stopping’ it outright on the game side, but that it gets tough enough for them to make profit that they quit trying (there’s a difference)…well, in reality if nobody ever buy it they’ll quit eventually so in some way someone somewhere is buying it hence they keep doing it.[/quote]

Or, you know, simply hire someone with more than 1 ounce of a brain to fix the loopholes in the system to prevent goldsellers from doing their business in-game?
It doesn’t take a genius to notice how flawed their safety implementations against goldsellers are.

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#17

i can’t can give a token to my friend because he doesn’t has vip. (I do no if it’s tradeable)

#18

i did ask for civility please. anger can be good, but antagonizing other players never helps anyone.

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#19

We can’t expect to change the whole game now, we need to find a way to deal with it. Some ppl want to break the game and build it from scratch, although there’s a lot of things I don’t agreed I know we need to be realistic.

#20

i’m actually having this problem right now aswell :confused: i can buy both of my friends their premium token, but i’d have no way of trading it to them.

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