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After playing magic classes, I feel like physical classes are useless?

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#1

Not to be offensive,
after playing swordsmen and archers,
and eventually wizards and clerics.

I can tell you that all physical class is not that useful and essential in this game.

-Mages and clerics can do all the things P class can and can’t do.

  1. BOSS DPS
  2. AOE DPS
  3. TANK
  4. CC
  5. RECOVERY
  6. BUFF AND DEBUFF

From early game to late game, all the way through I feel like my archers and swordman quite worthless compare to my wizards and clerics.

What I have seen now P class can do better is only TANK, yes a FULL TANK MELEE. Actually it is rare to see a full tank in TOS because they always need damage for solo questing.

Not to mention PVP, magic class is dominating the role.

I don’t know what IMC is thinking, I have not play RO, is there any similar phenomena from there? I mean magic classES always be the leaders.

I think we need something to change:

Melee class:

  1. Magic attack can be blocked.
  2. Resistance or neutralization on debuffs. (kTOS is doing it)
  3. CON provides extra magic defense. (Better than 30%bouns STR in kTOS)
  4. Utility (Can rush on targets)
  5. AOE (Attack should be count as area not AOE attack)

Archer class:

  1. Range (They should have more range than mages)
  2. Extra critical rate/Critical attack/Evasion on DEX
  3. Extra penetration on STR
  4. Larger skill area (Mutishots, Flare shots, Siege burst, Cannon blast, High anchoring, Magic arrow, crossfire.)

To sum up, please don’t under scaling physical classes, magic classes now is just awesome, I can do whatever I want on both PVE and PVP, that’s the game environment makes wizards awesome.

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#2

After WoE 2.0 was implemented, RO turned into ranged meta basically, AD spam here, Meteor spam there, fog wall here, even champions known for their asura strike became pneuma supports until an enemy gypsy which gives slow debuff to the opposing team tries to get in.

Yes, Lord Knights were useless other than being meatshields because paladins could do better.

(pre-renewal)

#3

Yeah plus there is Animus. Now most wizards now tend to go full con if they plan on participating GvG and PvP. Yey! Tree of Wizards. Kappa.

#4

Only the Snipers are carrying the flag of physical damage dealers in SE WoE. But they’ve become optional too. :sob:

#5

yup, only jobs LK could do was spear boomerang with 4x status carded weapon, pretty doable with a shield boomerang paladin lol

but at least cataphracts are useful here

#6

Guild Battle-wise, it still looks like same ranged meta tbh. people just don’t hold formations yet. so why do u think so?

#7

You could have a bunch of full con cataphracts without them getting too much damage because they have high con.

Knights in RO couldn’t do as much as they want since AD burns them down.

#8

So a bunch of full-con catas gets countered by a single PD, cuz all they can is Impale & Rush-stun, while dealing no dmg without proper stats.

I’d better get 1 bokor for makangadal and buff the full-str ones, for example. Then again, makangadal can be used on any profession, some others will probably manage to achieve more in same buff duration.

Besides, it’s not even a question of survival, it’s the question of swordsmen getting short-ranged controls in his face and being useless because of range. Not even makangadal will help with this.

And it was quite the same at WoE2.0. Tho, amassing swordsmen may surprise the enemy ofc, like it happened here:

#9

You don’t really need so much str if you want to pvp, better stack more con and dex if you plan do it in tos.

If a team also bothers too much with a high con cata they’re gonna have a bad time. They take a bit while to kill and if you did that means free space for the cata’s team. In RO you just AD spam a single LK and he’s dead. LK rush is different though.

#10

great now go and make your own game

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#11

What you said is true.

Still true that bokor can makangadal any profession and it can do pretty much the same.

You see, WoE was all about getting the units do what they are BEST at. Like Stalker being the best frontliner as he can’t be dispelled. So the question is - are swordsmen in ToS BEST at anything?

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#13

Nothing really, as what I mentioned in my previous post. Point is at least they’re more useful here than RO.

#14

arent you getting tired of reading sh1tty complains from sh1tty ppl? suggest this sh1t suggest that sh1t. this forum full of sh1t

#15

Well this is the worst forum I’ve ever seen for game complaints. So I’m left to assume that either there’s nothing but whiny children here, or this game just has so many things to complain about.

I am a little concerned about how few positive posts there are. Like the FFXIV forums had some complaints but for the most part people posting screenshots, sharing their game experiences, making friends… had trolls and bait posts still and those bait posts would often result in a perma-ban (from the forums, not the game) if you took the bait.

However ignoring the bad things, it still had a good deal of positive community interaction.

I notice on these forums the only “positive” community interaction are from shitposts (I do a lot of shitposts I’m not going to lie) or posts about panties.

Who talks about positive game experiences here? I see none of that. Just complaints and more complaints and if you talk about anything positive you get attacked by people who think the game sucks.

I admit it’s bothersome to me. But I also wonder if the issues wrong with the game right now just spark too much negativity with player experience making it impossible for people to feel “good” about playing the game.

I don’t really want to just up and say the entire community is sh1t before looking at things more objectively.

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#16

cause of the free to play. it attracts those poor sh1tty kids with poor sh1tty attitude and with sh1tty parents that doesnt teach their kids how to behave properly when growing up.

nah i think they just lack forum moderators ahaha
if they ban alot of account here then there will be less sh1tty complains and more civilize interaction.
there will be less ppl sh1tting on IMC name too.

#17

If I were to post some screenshots of my adventures through the game with some happy go lucky remarks about them all I would be shitposted and trolled with the occasional “nice” replies.

The negativity here is pretty much dominant. So I just embrace it lol.

#18

The thing bout RO wizrds cant wear equips same as everyone else. Some if not most equips are class restricted.

Also, no one really wants a full build cause

  1. Aspd is a thing.
  2. Faster casting time (thru dex, wizrd needs some).
  3. Accuracy.
  4. Flee.
  5. Perfect dodge.
  6. Vast card system

Sure wizards are overpowered in RO however, their role in WOE (gvg grab a castle ffa) is only for defense (by defense they can’t siege a castle).

#19

“Cause of the free to play”. Oh my, look, aren’t you so special? Good for you, but how can you talk about good interaction when you yourself have a pretty stupid “sh1tty attitude”. OP is being civilized, you are not. Get your thinking straight, you’re the one who would be banned here.

#20

“1. Boss DPS.”

Well obviously you haven’t been Bossing yet. :smiley: