[After PATCH] Crit rate equipment guide

myself · May 2, 2017, 10:42am

yes, i need that average data for:
-if i use 2 lv7 red gem
-if i use 2 lv7 yellow gem
-if i use 2 lv7 green gem

TheAlleyCats · May 2, 2017, 10:52am

2x Red Gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4620.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          349.000000
Critical Attack:        0.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        22.775643%
Total Crits: 227594 - Total Damage: 3000617792.339120 - Average: 3000.617792

2x yellow gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4000.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          349.000000
Critical Attack:        940.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        22.775643%
Total Crits: 227947 - Total Damage: 2826375718.166305 - Average: 2826.375718

2x Green gems:

Skill Factor: 100.000000%
Min Attack: 4000.000000
Max Attack: 4000.000000
Defense: 1000.000000
Critical Rate: 453.000000
Critical Attack: 0.000000
Critical Resist: 166.000000
Critical Chance: 29.835213%
Total Crits: 298403 - Total Damage: 2781979467.664789 - Average: 2781.979468

Angelized · May 2, 2017, 10:54am

I think there really is no need to calculate total damage since everything scales with %.

You just want to:

Calculate STR/DEX over Critical Chance % considering that 10 STR = 25 P.Atk, 10 DEX = 50 Critical Attack https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nejc36izd9aaFp_Ar9KMSjbnxkBHApA4InkgguOkRuk/edit
Do the same thing for P.Atk/C.Atk coming from gems as they as well may be good or bad still according to your Critical Chance.

Whichever other attack or critical you have, over which you have no control, you don’t really have to worry about. It’s there and it does multiply (weapon, equip and so on). The only thing you may still want to look over for equip picking is looking once more at your critical chance and, looking at the ratio, go for either P.Atk or C.Atk, that’s it.

myself · May 2, 2017, 10:59am

last request as a rogue, will the result change if you add bonus +40%crit chance to the equation?

Tiaaa · May 2, 2017, 11:01am

Can you do the same simulation with 450 critical rate as the initial value?

TheAlleyCats · May 2, 2017, 11:22am

Thats for @Tiaaa:
2x Red Gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4620.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          450.000000
Critical Attack:        0.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        29.647700%
Total Crits: 296273 - Total Damage: 3093057726.875297 - Average: 3093.057727

2x yellow gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4000.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          450.000000
Critical Attack:        940.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        29.647700%
Total Crits: 296588 - Total Damage: 2948507495.491427 - Average: 2948.507495

2x Green gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4000.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          554.000000
Critical Attack:        0.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        35.751892%
Total Crits: 357440 - Total Damage: 2853437659.213181 - Average: 2853.437659

@myself: I don’t have a rogue, I need to check how that 40% is added (is CRATE * 1.4?)

myself · May 2, 2017, 11:23am

nope
a flat +40%
so for red and yellow gem, your final crit chance will be 22+40= 62.77%
and for green gem your final crit chance will be 29+40=69.83%

Delcas · May 2, 2017, 11:28am

Ktest…

Someone finna tell me how Crit attack applies. I must not be paying attention.
141 attack
866 crit attack.
Chupa’s - 29 def. 166 damage dealt. 1272 Crits
Popolions - 30 DEF. 163 damage dealt. 1253 Crits

TheAlleyCats · May 2, 2017, 11:30am

Thanks for the info (thanks to @Delcas too, I’ll add that later and run simulations that @c2gaming.seetoo asked).

2x Red Gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4620.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          349.000000
Critical Attack:        0.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        62.775643%
Total Crits: 627931 - Total Damage: 3540276666.379822 - Average: 3540.276666

2x yellow gems:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4000.000000
Max Attack:             4000.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          349.000000
Critical Attack:        940.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        62.775643%
Total Crits: 628440 - Total Damage: 3538966180.086667 - Average: 3538.966180

2x Green gems:

Skill Factor: 100.000000%
Min Attack: 4000.000000
Max Attack: 4000.000000
Defense: 1000.000000
Critical Rate: 453.000000
Critical Attack: 0.000000
Critical Resist: 166.000000
Critical Chance: 69.835213%
Total Crits: 698719 - Total Damage: 3266520643.671503 - Average: 3266.520644

myself · May 2, 2017, 11:35am

Thank you very much sire! Now i can enter deep sleep after so many sleepless night. Red gem FTW!

TheAlleyCats · May 2, 2017, 11:51am

There is a 25% bonus applied to the damage in that video (it’s unclear how bonus damage is applied). Also, it is unclear what formula is going to use IMC.
They keep showing this for our version:

damage = (% increase factor) x attack x min {1, log10 ((attack / (defense + 1))^0.8 + 1)} + (+ increase)

but then they apply this to their own tables:

damage = (% increase factor) x attack x min {1, log10 ((attack / (defense + 1))^0.9 + 1)} + (+ increase)

(table and formula from https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=955)

Queue · May 2, 2017, 11:52am

I fixed my own now. If you look back at the error you’d probably have a good laugh.

I’m more of History guy…

@TheAlleyCats Thanks for the tests. Crit is definitely looking out classed.

myself · May 2, 2017, 12:41pm

seeing as at 62% crit chance, red gem average dps 3540 and yellow gem average dps is 3538, maybe we were almost reaching the threshold X crit chance where yellow gem give more benefit than red gem?

Delcas · May 2, 2017, 1:02pm

Im aware of the 25%.
Still wondering how Crit attack is added.

EternalDream · May 2, 2017, 1:03pm

The ktos release patch notes (when it got transfered from just ktest) listed it as 0.9, so it was an error on the iToS side of things; At least they use the right version in their tables.

xxwintersnowxx · May 2, 2017, 1:20pm

it says “Error” at the end of the formula. when i try to copy to another spreadsheet…

TheAlleyCats · May 2, 2017, 2:18pm

Thrust has a skill factor of: 139 + ([Skill Level] - 1) × 7.6 (https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skills/10001), without the 25% bonus I obtain coherent results:

Chupa:

Skill Factor:           139.000000%
Min Attack:             141.000000
Max Attack:             141.000000
Defense:                29.000000
Critical Rate:          165.000000
Critical Attack:        866.000000
Critical Resist:        3.000000
Critical Chance:        21.169422%
Total Crits: 0 - Total Damage: 137.434840 - Average: 137.434840

Skill Factor:           139.000000%
Min Attack:             141.000000
Max Attack:             141.000000
Defense:                29.000000
Critical Rate:          20000.000000
Critical Attack:        866.000000
Critical Resist:        3.000000
Critical Chance:        380.696521%
Total Crits: 1 - Total Damage: 1050.255603 - Average: 1050.255603

Popo:

Skill Factor:           139.000000%
Min Attack:             141.000000
Max Attack:             141.000000
Defense:                30.000000
Critical Rate:          165.000000
Critical Attack:        866.000000
Critical Resist:        3.000000
Critical Chance:        21.169422%
Total Crits: 0 - Total Damage: 135.428662 - Average: 135.428662

Skill Factor:           139.000000%
Min Attack:             141.000000
Max Attack:             141.000000
Defense:                30.000000
Critical Rate:          20000.000000
Critical Attack:        866.000000
Critical Resist:        3.000000
Critical Chance:        380.696521%
Total Crits: 1 - Total Damage: 1034.924703 - Average: 1034.924703

TheAlleyCats · May 2, 2017, 2:12pm

It could be, I’ll check it. Take into account that what I run is a full simulation, so criticals landed (Total Crits) may differ between each run, same goes for attack damage when min and max are different.

Delcas · May 2, 2017, 2:35pm

Multiply it by 1.25 and you’ll see the calculations are off. I ran them in my spread as well.

domtop · May 2, 2017, 3:21pm

This is pretty much Tree of Savior in a nutshell. Also one of the reasons that i quit.