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[After PATCH] Crit rate equipment guide

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#103

So let’s try that with DEX. I’m assuming you are using 400 STR with just the basic per point value of 2 atk. So let’s use 400 DEX with per point value of 5c.atk.

DEX
(2000atk x 1.5) + (400 x 5c.atk)
3000 + 2000
5000 c.atk

STR
(2000atk + (400 x 2atk)) x 1.5
2800 x 1.5
4200

So placing them side by side
400STR: …~0.515white
400DEX: …~0.437white

dps = non-crit% x white + crit% x yellow

So what crit rate will make these equal

Now let’s try double gear atk 4000
DEX
A normal would be
4000
~0.605

(4000atk x 1.5) + (400 x 5c.atk)
6000 + 2000
8000 c.atk

STR
4000atk + (400 x 2atk)
4800
~0.654

(4000atk + (400 x 2atk)) x 1.5
4800 x 1.5
7200 c.atk

400STR: …~0.654white
400DEX: …~0.605white

Interesting.

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#104

About 320 points since Str is essentially 2.5 atk/point if you count the 10 point bonus (I’m just doing the invested stat, ignoring gears)

Also, to my knowledge crit does not increases your log calculation’s attack.
So your 2000 attack vs 1000 defense would be 0.437 regardless of crit.

#105

Ok, will edit.

-edit-

Interesting. So I just need to get way higher gear atk to lower the c.rate required to “balance off” STR vs DEX. This doesn’t take into consideration the aspd from DEX though.

So I’m guessing the trend will be to get as much raw gear atk as possible.

#106

To be on par with 3 red gems (level 7):

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             2000.000000
Max Attack:             2930.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          165.000000
Critical Attack:        144.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        0.000000
Total crits: 0 - Total Damage: 1200229489.041010 - Average: 1200.229489

We need to reach 1475 critical attack @ 30% critical chance:

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:
-------------------------------------------------------------
Skill Factor: 100.000000%
Min Attack: 2000.000000
Max Attack: 2000.000000
Defense: 1000.000000
Critical Rate: 456.000000
Critical Attack: 1475.000000
Critical Resist: 166.000000
Critical Chance: 30.021943
Total crits: 300158 - Total Damage: 1200575797.697896 - Average: 1200.575798

At 43% critical chance, we need 719 critical attack:

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:
-------------------------------------------------------------
Skill Factor: 100.000000%
Min Attack: 2000.000000
Max Attack: 2000.000000
Defense: 1000.000000
Critical Rate: 697.000000
Critical Attack: 719.000000
Critical Resist: 166.000000
Critical Chance: 43.157543
Total crits: 431708 - Total Damage: 1200232200.532121 - Average: 1200.232201

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#108

after read all those post, i sense that is not worth invest on critical, with current stats its hard to get 600-750 critical rate, but now that DEX wont give us critical rate… we only can get it from equipment so… a fencer only can get 400-500 (whiout balestra) maybe? and with the current formula, that means from 100 hit u only get 30-20 critical hits…

#109

how to use it? i cant write on it.

#110

That’s not true. As I thought, the higher the attack, the more relevant criticals are, even with 30% critical chance and 0 critical attack:

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4300.000000
Max Attack:             4300.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          456.000000
Critical Attack:        144.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        30.021943
Total crits: 299520 - Total Damage: 3113061738.564018 - Average: 3113.061739

3x Level 7 Red Gems:

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             4300.000000
Max Attack:             5230.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          165.000000
Critical Attack:        144.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        0.000000
Total crits: 0 - Total Damage: 3107480177.563589 - Average: 3107.480178

So, for 30% Crit Chance, 4300 attack is the point where critical (with 144 critical attack) starts outperforming non critical.

P.S.
I can run simulations with specific parameters at request

EDIT
Apparently I left 144 critical attack (applies only when the critical chance > 0), so it’s not 100% accurate, look below for the appropriate table.

#111

Your doc is on read only.

#112

You make a copy of it, otherwise everyone will be trying to work with the same sheet at the same time and nobody would get anything accomplished, it’s supposed to be read only

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#113

@xxwintersnowxx @SlyGoat

Exactly what @Proxied said. File -> Make a copy.

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#114

im a little lose… how can i see o where can i see the skill factor? and… yeah surely 30% critical rate is good but i think is hard to get it… but now im thinking… is worth get leather armor? since the + on leather are critical rate? or its better get plate armor?. (im fencer btw) i think im gonna do the inverse build. 50 DEX, rest STR. 7 Ellaganos 1 Glassmole, Sissel bangle x2, but change off hand weapon gem to green. main hand yellow. there are many stuff to test since all will be subjected to changes.

#115

It returns wrong values mate, a guildy just linked it to me and you should revise the formulas I’d say.

If I enter 1000 P.Atk, 50% Crit Chance and 100% Skill Factor it returns me a 500 value, whereas it should be a 1250 with those values filed in.

Anyway, I just made my own sheet for guildies and wanted to share it here as well, it should be 100% accurate. Funny thing is I don’t even use Swordies/Archers :smiley:

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#116

The skill factor for each skill can currently be found only on https://tos-kr.neet.tv/ (for example: https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skills/11102).

To reach 30% critical chance against end game mobs (that have 166 critical resist according to @LunarRabbit), you need around 456 critical rate, which is not that hard considering that you get 165 from leveling to 330.

For anyone interested, the attack values where critical (without critical attack) becomes more effective than the same attack + 3x level 7 red gem are:

Critical chance: 10.000000%  - Attack: 12400.000000
Critical chance: 20.000000%  - Attack: 6600.000000
Critical chance: 30.000000%  - Attack: 4600.000000
Critical chance: 40.000000%  - Attack: 3500.000000
Critical chance: 50.000000%  - Attack: 2900.000000
Critical chance: 60.000000%  - Attack: 2500.000000
Critical chance: 70.000000%  - Attack: 2200.000000
Critical chance: 80.000000%  - Attack: 1900.000000
Critical chance: 90.000000%  - Attack: 1700.000000
Critical chance: 100.000000% - Attack: 1600.000000
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#117

how about make comparison using same stat and 2x lv7 red gem/yellow gem/green gem?

#118

Sure, give me some mins (I’ll update this post).

P.S. Green gems would only add to critical rate, if you any particular number feel free to tell me.

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             3100.000000
Max Attack:             3100.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          456.000000
Critical Attack:        0.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        30.021943%
Total Crits: 300431 - Total Damage: 1926750115.771837 - Average: 1926.750116

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor:           100.000000%
Min Attack:             3100.000000
Max Attack:             3620.000000
Defense:                1000.000000
Critical Rate:          165.000000
Critical Attack:        0.000000
Critical Resist:        166.000000
Critical Chance:        0.000000%
Total Crits: 0 - Total Damage: 1884276563.860665 - Average: 1884.276564

0 Critical attack ouperforms 2 level 7 red gems @ 3100.

Edit: I set the attack too high.

#119

Can you see what happens as you increase gear atk values when comparing DEX and STR? As @rofldat pointed out to me, STR will influence the damage factor while DEX does not.

#120

oh right, forgot to mention, those gem value are for main weapon, not offhand. crit rate use 349 as a base value (excluding green gem), from lv 330, full leather 315 HG set and 2x sissel

#121

I know, I’m using only main hands at the moment. (results coming)

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor: 100.000000%
Min Attack: 1000.000000
Max Attack: 1620.000000
Defense: 1000.000000
Critical Rate: 349.000000
Critical Attack: 0.000000
Critical Resist: 166.000000
Critical Chance: 22.775643%
Finding break even for 22.775643% Critical Chance…
Now testing: 4000.000000
Minimum attack required: 4000.000000

4000 attack is required (against 2 level 7 red gems on main hand)

Running simulation for 1000000 time(s) with following parameters:

Skill Factor: 100.000000%
Min Attack: 1000.000000
Max Attack: 1930.000000
Defense: 1000.000000
Critical Rate: 349.000000
Critical Attack: 0.000000
Critical Resist: 166.000000
Critical Chance: 22.775643%
Finding break even for 22.775643% Critical Chance…
Now testing: 5800.000000
Minimum attack required: 5800.000000

5800 against 3 level 7 red gems

(I only added the comparison, if you want me to post damage figure like the previous post, just tell me)

#122

STR adds to damage, Dex adds critical attack, but I don’t have data for those since I’m not playing on ktos and I probably missed them if they were posted somewhere (aka, how much damage is added for each point of STR & how much critical attack is added for each point of DEX).
I require that data to perform a comparison.

#123

10 Points in STR is 25 str
10 points in DEX is 50 crit.

The breakdown is

2 STR per point with the 10th point giving an additional +5 points.
(so going from 9 to 10 STR will actually give 7 more points of STR in total).

Dex is 4 points of Crit attack. with the 10th point giving you an additional +10 points (so going from 9 to 10 DEX will actually give you 14 more points of Dex in total).

EG. 5 dex = 20
10 dex = 50.
15 dex = 70
20 dex = 100.

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