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About bringing RNG to the cash shop

General Discussion
#22

I’m all for pay to win, if your broke or against this well…get ur money up, cash shop pimps will dominate the end game. Accept your fate.

Any complaints can be forwarded to imc as flaming me gets you lols.

Seriously though how long have MMOs been around now? 10-15years? I’m sure these companies are basing their cash shop models on something… Plus I get sick off seeing someone rush the forum once TreeOfNexon (kr) does anything cash shop related.

Basically you want a non-p2w game. They get it you whiny runts. Now excuse me, I gotta count my money in preparation.

#23

I see…

Well, I was confused about the way you speak about “money/time/luck”, cuz I can’t think about a single MMO without it (no, I didn’t play many). We have RNG in all equipment right now, for example. Grinding and farming will always be time consuming and what to say about money…

However, I don’t believe iToS will be p2w, and that’s why I’m still planning to play. If I’m wrong and all this sheet and more is present on the internacional version, so I’m sorry and out of here.

PS: So you’re a completionist playing MMOs? I’m REALLY curious about it… How does this work? You can’t have all classes, achievements, weapons, armors or hats (at least not on the same account, you would need several). Do you mind to tell me what you “completed” in MMOs so far?

#24

And yes anything on the shop should not give you stats.

#25

For real…even an RPG console game will have gears dropped with RNG stats.
And, how much differences are we talking about here?
+20 STR with all costumes combined really isn’t gonna make much differences for ToS stats at higher level.

#26

This is different than gear dropping with random stats on it. ( Which is still something I wouldn’t like to see in an MMO, but it wouldn’t stop me from playing it competitively ).

This is akin to gear dropping with stats on it, and being able to pay for an item to reroll those stats. And the stats that are currently on headgear items are pretty strong. You can get up to 3 increases on a single headgear, with upgrades like +500 HP, +30 elemental attack, or +50 physical attack. If you rerolled enough and stacked those, you could get +4500 HP, +270 elemental attack, or +450 physical attack from 3 headgears. That’s significant.

This also makes headgears just less fun. It was nice that I could choose to wear whatever I wanted just for looks, and not having to worry about stats. Now I’m basically required to fill those 3 slots with something rather than choosing to only wear 1 headgear because I liked how it looked.

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#27

Well, MMOs are never done, and we all here know that. I’m going to aim first for all achievements, and during endgame I will be trying to set up different sets of gear each with the best results I can achieve.

“Completing” is an illusion in MMOs, I think I should have quoted the term. But yeah, I like to raise my characters to the highest level I possibly can, in every possible number.

… And yeah, if it gets casino-ish. I’m outta here as well. I just don’t want that to happen.

@FreeMan, how about giving a logic reason for your “How 'bout no”?

[quote=“shyangyuan, post:25, topic:131842, full:true”]
For real…even an RPG console game will have gears dropped with RNG stats.And, how much differences are we talking about here?+20 STR with all costumes combined really isn’t gonna make much differences for ToS stats at higher level
[/quote]I seriously hope so… but RNG always bothers me when it becomes linked to irl money or premium currencies.

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#28

How do you count “3” accessory slots? To my knowledge “item” in hair slot cannot be awakened by scrolls.

#29

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Bye-GIF.gif?gs=a

#30

That’s the whole problem - they can be. Shout on ktos is full of them.

#31

i’d like a proof (screenshot) that haircuts can have stats added.
Because if thats the case then it is even closer to P2W because you can get haircuts only from shop.

#32

Check this out:

You get 3 stats on the same piece.

#33

That is horrible then… D: You can’t get a hairstyle ingame… and even if we would get a hairstyle drop we would be forced to wear that…

#34

Wow…now that’s really P2W
+4500 HP on a CON Mage or +450 P.Attack on DEX attackers is no jokes.
+450 P. Atk is roughly equivalent to +170 STR with no Critical Atk and Weight limit up. The strength of a +15 Galatunis sword (6 stars purple).

#35

You probably didnt understand me. I know that upper and lower headgears can be enchanted. By “hairslot” i meant the one for cash-shop haircuts.

#36

Well, you asked why 3 slots, I meant to clarify that you get 3 slots in one piece of gear, which is what was meant.

#37

except it wasnt. Especially if you get his “math” into account.

#38

Oh, no, not the haircut slot. There are 3 slots not including that slot. 2 top and 1 middle. ( This changed like… 2/3 weeks ago? )

#39

that is something i wasnt aware of :disappointed_relieved:

#40

Oh I missed that too… Can you show how that works? XD I wanna see someone with all the slots filled… :sweat_smile:

#41

I could if I were on my other PC. Basically the two top headgears just stack. Like, you can stack a kepa and a mushcaria hat and it looks like the hat has kepa grass sprouts coming out of it.

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