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A3 better than R3 for Fletcher? lets talk about it?

Class and Rank Archer
#1

I Have my fletcher as A1, R3, Fletcher 2 (like most of fletchers (rank 7 not included)) but i would like to talk about why the most popular/better choice is Ranger 3, just because steady aim and barrage? i feel Spiral Arrow is pretty weak.
I was thinking about Archer 3 because we have Twin Arrows, better dmg vs. Spiral Arrow.
Barrage is rly nice aoe and single target, but u need to stay at close range to max it out (not good for archers)
The Swift Step atribute is pretty good and we would have Rank 4 free to choose some utility like Hunter or Scout and then go for Fletcher 2 + musk/cannon (or F3). Our AoE would be X-fire all the way.

Well, i do have more ideas that i didnt try yet, im probably gonna test Archer 3, Hunter or Scout 1 and fletcher 2 someday (on paper looks better than the ‘‘popular’’ A1, R3, F2), soon ill post some builds about it, but mean while…

How about some feedbacks about it? Have anyone tried this build?

#2

It’s the most popular because of steady aim. Since our version of it is not as overpowered as KToS version, you can be more creative.

For Fletcher, you can get what you need out of A2. A2 R2 F3 would work, or something like A2 R1 Scout1 F3 would be fun. Lots of choices.

#3

Im also wondering if archer2ranger2 is better than ranger3 for end game too. Finishing off with fletcher2/3.

#4

A2>R1 will make your fletcher skills stronger than R3.

The variations you can do are:

A3->R1->F3
A2->R2->F3
A2->R1->Scout1->F3

And your fletcher skills will still do more damage than going A1->R3.

Personally it’s just a matter of preference, the end result of min-maxing this hard is the difference of like 1-5% dps.

I made a spreadsheet comparing A2-R1 vs R3 and different stat allocation paths, the total damage values on the right side shows your how small the differences in classes and setups really are. I used Magic Arrow damage as the reference point since it’s the strongest skill you’ll be using constantly.

http://imgur.com/nsblieH

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#5

you must’ve been watching stream last night LOL

#6

Hi there,

I hesitated a lot between A3,A2-R2 and R3, examinating what both classes could offer, and I finally went for A3 S1 Fletcher. I can share my opinion with you.

First, I prefer having a permanent buff (1min swiftstep+ 25 % critical attribute) over 2 temporary buffs (30sec swiftstep(level 5) + steady
aim). Even after it’s nerf, I think steady aim is still a good buff. 10Sec for 25secs cd is good enough for the boost it gives. But I think this buff fits better in a burst type class, while fletchers are designed to deal sustained damage(I’m going F3). But since you considered choosing musk/cannon, I would say that R3 for steady aim seems like a better option(not too sure about it).

Now if we compare multi-shot/twin arrows vs barrage/spiral(if we suppose they can be compared), I like the flexibility of barrage.
You can deal aoe damage, as well as high single target damage when used close to the target. Maybe I’m wrong because I haven’t tested ranger myself but I tend to think archers skills will deal slightly higher single target damage (mainly multishot15) while ranger will have less problems(no problems?) with aoe.

I went Scout 1 really for personal preference.
Since I like exploring maps, cloaking with it’s +5 movement speed attribute and stealth itself made me choose it over hunter. It can also help against bosses. From my experience, quest bosses start recovering health as soon as you use cloaking, against dungeons bosses however, you have a few seconds (after losing aggro) to reengage the fight before they start recovering health(in the case of course you went for a solo dungeon run). Flare shot is similar to magic arrow even though magic arrow is strictly better (5sec vs 41 sec cd not to mention the damage). The class brings some cool utility as you said, nothing too crazy about it for pve.

I think there is not a big difference betwen A2+ and R3, your main damaging skills are fletchers skills anyway. As said above it’s just a matter of preference, but one thing you can also consider is how often you use your ranger skills,based on your own experience how useful you think ranger skills are compared to fletcher skills. If now that you reached F2, you realise you rarely use any ranger skills, then going A2+ only to make swiftstep permanent + the critical attribute can be justified. But i’ll repeat what I said above. Maybe I’m wrong but I think steady aim is better for burst type classes like musk/canon. If I wasn’t sure to choose F3, I would have probably picked A2-R2 over A3.

Well you probably know all that already xD. At any rate, I personally have no regrets so far :wink:

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#7

Why is that?
Were there some A3,R1 Fletcher streaming?

#8

I was thinking Archer3, scout, Fletcher3 as well however what alternatives are there to scout? could wugushi fit in? (in terms of adding dps)

#9

From what Ive heard while trying to figure things out, you dont pick ranger for the steady aim even tho it is a nice buff, but you pick it mainly for the spells. So you can max your dps by using cooldowns on ranger and then spamming your fletcher skills.

Even tho the crit IS nice, but according to high lvl streamers spiral arrow hits like a truck for being one shot (that hits 6 times).

Ive also noticed that the general opinion on anything in these forums is mostly not based on experience or is based on outdated experience. Which has lead into stupid build recommendations at least on the cleric side.Just because something is viable and fun & looks nice on paper doesnt mean anyone will take you in a party in the end game. (not pointed at you dest2405).

#10

This debate keeps spinning me in circles.

So this is what i am at. Archer3 gives higher crit for fletcher. However ranger 3 gives more skills to spam between cds?

#11

Also ranger has cooldowns you wanna spam once off cooldown for the great great dps. This is what Ive heard not experienced!

#12

I’m on A3 > SC1 > F2 as well

Its does really well on kiting. none of monster can touch you but it really take a time for killing mob that hp higher than 60k

Twin shot is the best skill that i ever used (5 time overheat cd7 second)

Perma Swift Step is not only give you movement speed but also evasion (i’m kind of solo player so this mean a lot to me)

#13

Yep, real experienced feedbacks will come later, with more ppl hitting high level with different builds. I didnt stated anything because i didnt tried the build (just told that looks good on paper), i’ve chosen the easy path. Its true that ppl state/confirm thing that havent tried yet.

#14

And gives u Steady Aim debuff, some ppl that tested are saying that u could pick Archer 2 for Swift Step atribute (25% crit rating) and get ranger 1 or 2 for steady aim. U can see on the picture above posted by eicyli2013

#15

I wouldnt go for Wugushi, scout for mobility and flare shot or Hunter for Rush dog and coursing (+40% crit) would be better than wugushi 1 dots

#16

Couldn’t a

A c1 - rng c2 - wug c2 - fletchc2

Work out if you went Str/Dex build ?

Both posion from wug and bleed from fletch would be a great combination on single target

And also throw gu and Magic arrow aswell ?

You still have barrage for flying mobs

#17

Could you pick up c1 hunter and be fine ?

Or do you need c2 ?

#18

For first question, if u go for wugushi 2 (i dont recomend thou) u should build Full Str, since wugushi poison does not crit.
For the second question, Hunter c1 is just fine, coursing and rush dog doesnt need much points.

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