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A strategy for dealing with the P2W cube

General Discussion
#16

It isn’t.
The game is set up in a way where people with money can profit in numerous ways and utilize this profit for different advantages such as buying Shards, prac, etc.
They can already do this.
Token worked as a pseudo-subscription. Which I’m not against, it’s just clearly advantageous against people who do not purchase it, and purchasing a token from someone else helps the seller of that token (which is still advantageous).
The game is p2w. The more money you spend the more ways for you to reap reward from the game.
That’s all there is to it in the current environment.
This cube will again basically do the same thing but add another potentially more cost-efficient means of acquiring certain things for paid user.

I don’t think the size really matters because it’s all been significant so far and they continue to add significant P2W. Perhaps the quantity is daunting as it’s just more things to throw money at.

IDGAF though, I already have low expectations of this game.

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#17

i retired from tos around the time that they implemented this in korea, yet they didn’t here and started login last week since the games seems to be doing fine… then this happen, the practonium deal isnt game breaking at all (it may be positive since the prices will drop for it), is 3% chance and the HG 315 weapons can be found with 4 slots and similar atk power, wich seem way better than most practo weapons, the real problem are the shards and gem abrassives, leveling a gem to 8 is a pain, for whales getting gems to 10 would be no problem and since crit rate is much more of a must for phisical dps builds with 4 slotted weapons its unfair, plus the ET reset and diamond anvil is just pure p2w (you can’t get any of those in the game)

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#18

I’m protesting in Klai ch1 right now wearing heart lenses, a female pilgrim outfit, and with an original penguin out. I buy my tokens with TP usually.

#19

Best way to discourage them? Bring up some Maths 0.6% means 6/1000. Discourage them thru data, videos and etc.

Topic: Hey wallet knight! 0.6% dude, don’t buy leti cube.

Known facts :slight_smile: Come on guys, we’ve been here (with other TP events) before.

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#20

Good idea. I have adjusted my memo.

#21

IMC’s staff are already set on the argument that this cube is not p2w as “all items in the cube can be obtained ingame without money spent” <-kek

#22

If you don’t spend thousands of dollars every month, your protest is just a drop in the bucket for IMC.

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#23

Nice or bring the raw numbers in dollars :smile: Or how much costumes they can acquire instead of buying the cubes etc etc.

#24

That actually misunderstands that business model of P2W games a little bit. IMC needs the rest of the player base to retain whale players, actually. If we leave, the whales tend to get bored and leave too. Maintaining good analytics is important even if you’re trying to monetize whales.

#25

the problem is that some people have thousend of tp ( remeber the br bank case?) and not only them … a lot of people from SEA too (and all of them are fraudulent tp), you think that someone with more than 20k of tp will not buy any of those cube?, and not forget the old GvG wich neted some nice numbers for months too some people

#26

Yeah, but you’re not leaving, you’re just playing less and buying less TP for a short period of time. The only way this stops is if the game dies.

#27

I am someone who only bought founder’s and i have over 900tp lol…

#28

The Whales only leave because the game in general is crap, people eventually leave and without a new influx of players there’s no one else to reign over in a mediocre game where ego is the main attraction.
If the game is good or good enough people will stay even with high cost of p2w.

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#29

Math bro math. 0.6% will still be 0.6% even if you buy millions of cubes. It’s not cumulative . Sometimes you need to present numbers, known facts than spending a long post. Straight facts are good.

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#30

Well, other thing to contribute to the cause is giving ToS bad reviews everywere, where it really hurts them, in [Steam]
(http://store.steampowered.com/app/372000/Tree_of_Savior_English_Ver/) mostly, won’t be much, but it’s something, at least new players will think it twice or be warned before spending time and money in this P2W scam of a game. Other sites like Metacritic will also help, any popular site for reviewing games, as a matter of fact. And it’s called Karma, strange thing coming from an asian game that they’re not aware of this concept, quite funny, really.

#31

You’d think that, but Burn Jita worked pretty well for EVE.If you can tank the analytics for a period a substantial amount, that tends to send a message to the business types who make the decisions about this stuff. What’s going to happen is that IMC is going to look at the amount of money they made on the secret cube, compare it to the goddess cubes they’ve sold in the past, and base their decision on that. If the non-whale playerbase stops buying their tokens and and the sales of the secret cube are low-ish, that sends a message that it’s not a commercially profitable endeavor. That is something that we can realistically do.

#32

People play clash of Clans, farmville, etc.
Where money gets you in places.
This is just an MMO like that.
High levels of grind circumvented by money like any generic free app on the apple store or google play store for your phone.
Suck em in then throw walls at them where people go “fuk this” and shell out some cash to advance because they’re hooked.
If you mad you’re not hooked enough.

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#33

then check some korean videos before, when they implemented this there, people started appearong with trans10 like nothing in their gear, the p2w items are 0,6% ok, but the shards, the cards and the other stuff that you can get in game with a lot of time are not.

#35

https://deltadna.com/blog/how-whales-spend/

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#36

I Agree. this cube will make TOS fall into a pay 2 win endless circle. Lets cut it before it grow ! I will do as you say.