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A future trend for Healers?

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#1

While playing iCBT, I noticed a few things while partying in dungeons and grinding parties. My question is what constitute as a healer? I noticed people shouting for heals in their party, but would they accept all jobs in the cleric tree for this role? At the end of the iCBT (before the time expansion) I actually had a few parties that kicked a bokor and sadhu out of party to find another healer. And also, I had a few Sadhu join my party stating that they are dps and they don’t heal.

Furthermore, with the new changes to heal and the reduction of healing amount, would people be more prone to invite a Priest or Cleric C3 instead of any other cleric path?

Also, for jobs like Monk / Bokor (which is kind of irrelevant since most monk pick up C3 priest), do you actually want to be the main healer when you join a party? Should a party force you to main heal when you are build for DPS?

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#2

better than been 100% ignored/ looked over the shoulder cause you didn’t choose linker :expressionless:

#3

The new changes to heal really flip things.

( Before the change to heals ):
If a priest c2 is available, that is the preferred class. Mass heal is very strong, and allows for the priest to appropriately react to someone taking too much damage, rather than relying on that person making their way over to a pre-placed heal before they die.

If not a priest c2, I’d like to have 2 cleric classes that have basic heal available, to feel good in an instance party ( provided we didn’t have an OP class combo, and the instance was actually difficult ). The basic heal isn’t really good enough to handle all situations.

( After the change to heals ):
It’s hard to say. Mass heal may not be as strong without an investment in INT/SPR, so my STR/DEX build with priest c2 / monk may not be as viable for FSing parties.

However, cleric c2 heals just got a lot stronger, and it’s likely that anyone with cleric c2 will be just as strong as a cleric c1/priest c2 was before. ( minus the nice DPS buffs, of course )

A SPR ( maybe INT, but eh ) build priest c2/c3 is still the most desired class as a healer though.

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#4

Played an INT DPS Cleric. Personally, I don’t care what my role is, as long as the dungeon gets cleared. Even if there was a priest in the party, I still helped out with heals. Most of the time, being the main healer got me a party quick, so I played that role a lot more often than a dps one.

Did all the dungeons up to 200, and my “main healing” consisted of dropping 2x heals every 30 seconds and using Safety Zone/Sterea Trofh when it was up. It wasn’t hard at all keeping everyone alive and it didn’t affect my DPS much at all.

Of course this will all change once the real game is released, with both the low level Heal nerf; and Resurrection and Revive being too important to have as a main healer.

#5

Dropping 2x heal every 30 seconds isn’t gonna kill your DPS, sometimes it might even help you more since the little dude that is tanking for you will be alive and you are free to throw DPS around.

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#6

I like it that way. Monk going to stay monk (or other dps oriented class) if one desire dps more than healing. Otherwise the choice is obvious if one wants to go another way. Don’t make it heal / resurrection / revive is accessible to all the cleric sub-trees just because they came from the same root. Make it that one class is best at something and lack of something else or make it Jack of all trades but master of none otherwise why party to remedy one and another’s cons or think twice before you pick a class?

If you’re asking on how would I build my cleric in the future, I’ll always aim for the one that gives the most supports to the party. I respect others for their choices to do dps but please don’t desire good heals and support as well. Please have the mindset that in order to gain something you must sacrifice something. Don’t ask for everything in one class.

If I’m to party a cleric, I’ll ask if his build is designed to be a full fledged healer. I won’t mind to have a subpar healer if the party is good. Just don’t ask for cleric to have both good dps and good heal. Everyone will just bandwagon it. No one would want to party since it can do everything.

Don’t ask for one class that has everything. Don’t ask for easy thing. Please don’t. Can you not. Please.

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#7

This Those dedicated to support now will be much more noticeable with heal changes.

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#9

I heard people had that issue,but I never did personally…and I went Pyro > Cyro > C2 Ele.Then again I was always head of my own party.But again,never had any problems.

And they still haven’t really made the needed changes to Wiz branch.So it should be interesting to see how they fare in the next test.

#10

No matter which route you chosen, all cleric will have at least Level 5 heal.
Heal & Buffs are SPR and Skill Level not INT. Slight investment of SPR (33/38) for the long run wouldn’t be a waste no matter which route you took or your playing style; solo or party.

Just remember…If you expect me to heal & buff, dun expect me to kill.

#11

Actually, Heal and Mass Heal scale from INT, and the only Priest buff that scales from SPR is Stone Skin (Info taken from tosbase). You could go full INT and still get a good support character.

#12

Increase Magic Defense and Zalciai scale with SPR too. Mass Heal gets bonus from both SPR and INT while Heal is only affected by INT as I know.

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#13

@yggtreeberry

My question is what constitute as a healer? I noticed people shouting for heals in their party, but would they accept all jobs in the cleric tree for this role?

Yes

At the end of the iCBT (before the time expansion) I actually had a few parties that kicked a bokor and sadhu out of party to find another healer. And also, I had a few Sadhu join my party stating that they are dps and they don’t heal.

Not everyone knows what class belongs to what tree. Sadhus claim to be dps (which is accurate) but it doesn’t mean they are incapable of healing. A heal is a heal no matter who casts it. Sadhus just happen to boast high dps in addition to heals (though as of kcbt3, not anymore). If they aren’t healing, they are awful at the game and should probably not be playing mmos.

Furthermore, with the new changes to heal and the reduction of healing amount, would people be more prone to invite a Priest or Cleric C3 instead of any other cleric path?

Unless you are willingly walking into enemy attacks, you’ll be fine with lv5 heal. The only time you might need more heal is during a boss fight when non-party members are taking your heals.

Also, for jobs like Monk / Bokor (which is kind of irrelevant since most monk pick up C3 priest), do you actually want to be the main healer when you join a party? Should a party force you to main heal when you are build for DPS?

If you picked a cleric class, you will be the main healer no matter what. If your party has 2 healers, you’ll both be throwing out heals as needed. That extra two seconds isn’t going to kill your group dps. Sadhus can fight and heal simultaneously. The difference between a full int heal and a zero int heal is negligible. Tos is linear scaling, so you’re only looking at -300 hp difference with 300 more int. When you’re healing for 10-20k or 2k heal per tile, that 300 int isn’t game changing. If you are the only cleric in your party, expect to heal, regardless of your stats/skills. Why would you even pick the class if you didn’t want to heal?

#14

I personally don’t have a problem healing but i could see someone taking cleric not wanting to heal there are alot of neat dps classes buried in the cleric tree that have nothing to do with healing.

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#15

Oh, how stupid they are.

But yeah, the general thing is as long as you’re not partying with people that enjoy constantly being smacked on the head by bosses and monsters inside dungeons, cleric 1 qualifies as a healer regardless of how your stats are built, the heals are a flat percentage right? There’s only so much this class tree can do to prevent people from dying, but some people just have too much determination when it comes to getting their character killed.

#16

I think I’ll sacrifice one circle krivis for a second circle cleric tho. (Sadhu build)

#17

That’s strange, as a Wiz 3 Ele 3 I never had that issue before.

Though my party will be slow if there is no Peltasta.

#18

There is a bit of a revamp from what we saw on iCBT in korea right now… The healing was nerfed to only 5% instead of 10% of HP. And the numbers of tiles keep scaling past 5. So if you cast a level 10 heal you’re putting down 10 tiles now. So healing will likely be a more specialized roll. A monk with no Int and Lv 5 heal will healing for significantly less then someone that went something like… Cleric 3, Priest 3.

It may or may not be a good thing it certainly defines your role clearer based on your build. Which is great for people that want to focus on roles outside of healing. And it becomes easier to balance the cleric classes because you need to specialize to heal effectively so you can make offensive builds stronger without going OP. All those nice things said it’s going to be harder to find a healer now if they have to specialize for it.

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#19

A great news to me! Certainly the right direction to balance instead of homogenizing the classes. I don’t mind a class to be Jack of all trades that has more access to certain utilities but it must be master of none.

#20

Yeah… That maybe but I don’t look forward to having a shortage of healers. It’s better to do something like that… cause it makes the classes more interesting but… Right now, alternative parties will probably become more common. Which probably means more RIPs and rougher DGs. Which will probably be frustrating in it’s own way. Maybe featherfoot’s healing will get buffed. Or we’ill see survival skills on more of the other classes. I know squire was getting an ability to lower the now harsher penalties for death though it still sounded punishing.