The fact that they only accept optimal builds, but when it comes to GM’s friends, it’s not really necessary
I can play only at weekends and been playing for something like 2 months now, the day F2P started. Since I play as a tank, have a lot of rapairing costs, so I don’t do dungeons that often.
Now I have to pay 25 talts to join a guild and 10 talts per week ?
I don’t even have 10 talts with two months played
With all said and done, I miss iCBT2 days. Even with more bugs and bigger unballances, but they were happier playthroughs
It really depends on the guild honestly, and the fact that a lot of people are terrified that their ‘‘OP Build’’ of the week will get balanced so they only take ‘‘Meta’’ builds to be ‘‘safe’’.
A number of guilds are much relaxed, but even then the low member max of guild in the game makes it so people ask for at least ‘competent’’ build, but because a lot of poeple don’t know enough about the game ends in them jsut going ‘‘Is this build meta? hm… is it high in Tosbase at least???’’ and the like.
People fear balnace patches in this game, which ends in that.
Most people ignore thewild concept of alternate characters, too.
There will be more guilds in time. Some that just want to have fun with friends. This seems to be the type of guild youre looking for.
However, if you barely play you may not be able to get in even those guilds since the member limit is low. How about making your own guild? problem solved.
Im fine with how the guild system is though. Other than the fact that there is no benefits to going non neutral or downsides to going neutral. It makes guilds more meaningful since they take time to make and the member limit is low.
I really wanted to buy a skill reset potion because of a mistake I made with a Peltasta skill, and a Token to be able to transfer some equipments to my alt alchemist and potions to my main, but with how guilds work right now, I can’t see myself still playing after getting to level 280 with my main.
So, why you want a clan if you dont want to help on this clan?
I dont see people not taking others because the bad build, but actually how this person can help the clan, whatever his build.
If you dont have 10 talts per month, you sure are complete useless.
If you rush DG 50 10 minutes per day you can reach 30 talts per month. Even a tank can do that on DG 50, or you can call/find someone with the same situation just to farm.
Why they make rules for take people? Because there is a limited amount of alowed people that can enter a clan, so first go the friends of Templar, later come the people who will come to the guild, and then, if the guild grow, get a better position in the future on the rewards, that is the basic logic. Some guilds want just sociability, and others just to grow neutral until reach something to fight for. Try create your own guild, so you can be all sociability, with no rules whatsoever.
I really don’t want a clan, but I don’t think it would be possible to do endgame without one. Remember that when you party with someone, it’s not just that they’re helping you, but you’re helping them too.
You don’t ? Are you kidding me ? Just look at the shouts and you’ll allways see people announcing guild recruiting only with specific builds. And not just guilds, even for a simple grind party, you need to have specific builds to be able to party with. After you saying this, I just can’t take you seriously …
Tell that to people who partied with me and told I’m the best tank they ever partied with.
Actually, I told the guy asked for 10 talts a week, not a month. Let me see, 2 runs per day with 7 days equal 14 talts, assuming you get nothing but talts every run. And if I really get nothing but talts for the rest of the game, I really don’t see any point in doing dungeons.
And why should I do that ?
I don’t see any point in doing low level dungeons just for talts. I would rather do dungeons my level in hope to get better equipments, and if I got talt, so be it. Having 0.1% chance drop is better than having none.
See ? Like I said, guild rules are not for everybody. The GM’s friends doesn’t need to follow it. And it’s something that I’ll never agree.
I’m not creating a guild. Why people keep asking that ? I’m just infuriated as how people only accept specific builds and GM’s friends can be whatever they feel like. Why I need to have the best tanking build to party with them, if they don’t need to have the best DPS or Healer build to party with me ?
This guild system go against the very principles of this game. Don’t you know that there are more than 50 classes on this game ? But you can’t be just any class and expect people to accept you on a guild.
welcome to how unbalanced all the classes are . the issue is not people wanting certain members or builds but lies more down to the game not having many guild slots + less guilds than most games since you need a level 220+ char R7 just to get a guild. while both of these are in effect and things are classes not balanced unfortunatley thats how guilds are going to be
You’re definitely right when it comes to guild leader exceptions of having specific classes and exceptions for friends for not following rules. But then again, they have also sacrified their R7 in order to achieve what they have gain so far. Whatever rules they have placed its really up to them. If you’re unhappy with the current rules that they have, by all means there is nothing restricting you from leaving.
My only concern is that you don’t lump all guild leaders into the same category. Upon starting my guild I had 9 friends that I was playing together IRL. How many of them got in? 1. The rest were inactives and I placed the same requirements onto them as well whether if its being active for x period of time, or donating talts. Do they get special treatment or able to exempt themselves from donating talts? Nope. Everyone is equal at least from a few templars that I know.
If they can’t meet the requirement then they’re not invited unfortunately. Every guild leader fancies active members because we do have guild events, missions, and farms to attend to or even PvP events which require active people to attend to. Remember that a guild is only as strong as it members. If you’re only active on weekends, then either you should look for a guild that can accept you being online on weekends or becoming a Templar of your own and creating your own rules.
Depends on the type of guild, the GM and the members.
I’m in Telsiai, has a non-standard Archer build (Archer3 Hunter1 Scout1 Falcon1 Cannon1), and play semi-casually. Met GM in a rush dungeon run.
Thought he was a nice for asking everyone in party if they wanted to join his/her guild so we all joined. Fairly new guild and highest was around 250+ (GM was just a new Templar) and lowest (which most of us were) was 130-ish.
We’re all now in-game friends (we even greet each other when we come online). Guild chat is lively and informative. We’re not required to pay/donate talts (it’s optional).
A week later, another guild “unintentionally” declared war on us (they just placed their tower right next to ours, not intentional at all). We internally voted whether or not to defend our tower (or destroy theirs). Our GM tried to talk it with the enemy GM but seems like they’re not interested in just considering it an “unintentional” declaration so war it is.
Fortunately a lot of us (about 10-15 members, mostly below lv.200) were online at that time and when the one-hour hold period passed we all swept the enemy guild (outnumbered them with lowbies lol, if they only knew) and destroyed their tower. Afterwards, we just let them destroy our tower as well since we all had something else to do (leveling and stuff since we’re lowbies).
It was the first war I’ve participated in, feels great (brought me back to the RO WoE days) and winning it was an even greater feeling.
Every once in a while enemy guild members will grief us in dungeon waiting areas or questing fields, and guild members w/ high level characters would be willing help out.
You do know the talts are for leveling up the guild? Unless the guild is max level, you should pay them if you don’t want to be a leecher. Honestly, you’re the one that will enjoy the benefits from being in a guild. I joined a guild created by my friend and I donated all my talts even though he didn’t make a rule to donate/pay them. I guess the one you wanna join is a bigger guild than mine, so they have limited space. It’s only normal for guilds to do that. To join a guild and refuse to contribute is just a sheit move.
As a Guild Master myself, we’re sorry if we require such standards.
Though in our guild we doesnt require people to donate talts, and Id rather want them to use it for themselves because talt is a currency in game at the moment. Just when they feel like to or if they have excess to spare. But we cant blame the GM to demand for talt since upgrading a guild cost a lot of talts. Just for 1 member it takes thousands.
And about the builds, we can’t deny it that we choose some preferred builds “to help guild runs” so we wont have to look from outside. But experimenting is a plus I think <3
During iCBT theres no guild. If you see it happier that way, then don’t join a guild perhaps.
You can’t blame a guild leader for wanting talt . Liturally when you give up a rank and a good one at that like goon, doppel corsair you gonna want to make that rank count in your guild . I was going to be a Templar at fist but I stopped near the end as I didn’t want the risk of giving up such a potential in attack or such . Also considering guild masters friends beings a exseption it sounds about right . Remember said members will be more loyal to the Templar as well as the Templar knowing them better as well as being founder members of their guild ext . Templars usually have friends backing them too so you are likely to see this .
And what about forcing people to contribute ? Isn’t it a shiet move too ? People should choose if they want to contribute or not. And don’t give me that “people will never contribute this way” crap. There are a lot of people who would, I would contribute too if I like the guild. I would contribute half of my talts to them, even if it was a low amount it’s still half of them. Now, can you honestly say you would contribute half of your talts to a guild you just met ?
Yeah, sure …
It’s not that easy, with higher levels comes higher difficult to find people to party for dungeons, they’re mostly partying with their guildmates.
Well, I didn’t want to join just because it’s competitive. This guy was announcing guild recruiting on shouts for a long time, so I decided to pm him.
I shouldn’t be naming anything here, because I don’t want to get even more drama.
I’m having a hard time understanding what your text has to do with what I said about guilds.
I never blamed some guild for an individual act. Actually the one that I was talking about was the guildleader himself, so your point is not valid.
I never said pugs were a guild specific problem, and I challenge you to show where I said that. What I did said about pugs is the fact that they only accept specific builds for partying.
When you see people asking only for a Peltasta, and when I get there, there was a Cataphract in the group that don’t have Peltasta in the build, I just left the party and went back to what I was doing, simple as that. Why they ask for optimal builds when they don’t have optimal builds ? That’s something that I’ll never accept.
I’m running a guild in Telsiai, and I have no class nor level requirements. The only rule I impose is the 5 talt donation per week (for guild exp) and to at least be active once a week.
