hopefully someday~ but probably not =(
(feels a lil bit unfair that everyone has to suffer for bots)
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It would also be nice if i could have as much free, good food as i wanted.
Maybe one day…
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But would IMC make money off those other means?
What a nonsense argument. Free, good food is pretty much impossible economically. (Someone has to pay for the food in some way.)
But an online game without a token system and trade restrictions is far from an impossibility. It’s just that a lot of publishers (especially in modern days) don’t like lifting those restrictions
[quote=“nuriomarayana, post:4, topic:152653”]What a nonsense argument. Free, good food is pretty much impossible economically. (Someone has to pay for the food in some way.)
But an online game without a token system and trade restrictions is far from an impossibility. It’s just that a lot of publishers (especially in modern days) don’t like lifting those restrictions
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But an online MMO based on grinding without bots is as possible as free, good food. Every repetitive task in game WILL be automated no matter what protection developers are trying to implement.
Would also be nice if the lot of you out there complaining would pull out your credit cards and let IMC know that you will donate 500-1000usd for a few cosmetics to support the game. Then we could…
In the end the game needs to make money and if you think the token system is there just to prevent bots then you really do not understand your responsibility.
Yes, you have a responsibility.
You need to pay your own weight.
But many do not. Many will not, even if they can.
So many think those who have Grandmaster and other such titles in Path of Exile were not the same type of people who knew and understood the PRICE of not having anything but cosmetics in a ftp cash shop.
But these were also the ones who have put in just as much or more in earlier entries in the genre, through third party trading sites. They would be the ones to pay anyhow, and had the pokeballs to do it for the rest who never would.
It would be nice if this game had a official forum population that marred steam’s purchase activity. But we don’t have that either.
Sorry, buddy! Creating a specialized bot-hunting task force with powerful tools to examine transactions, player movement data, and remove offenders isn’t something even major MMOs like FFXIV bother to do. It’s expensive to pay people full time for so specific a task, so why go the extra mile when your players will just complain, but keep on playing?
That’s what it takes to really clean up this sort of thing. You can always tell what games go the extra mile to make sure they can fight this problem, and which ones don’t. WoW did it back when I played it.
If it’s impossible to fight it, according to you, I see no reason to fight it then.
But honestly, there are already many threads on bots, and a lot of them show ways to fight bots. Restricting the market isn’t really an effective way at all.
What about the people who like the token system?
There isn’t much to trade in the first place.
and a very few bots get past tenet gardens.
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Restricting the market isn’t really an effective way at all.
[/quote]Restrictions to the market and trade are there to fight another aspect of botting a.k.a. RMT.
And automation to someone with the tools to examine basic metrics like player movement data, transaction logs, and login times - well, bots are actually incredibly easy to spot if you actually pay someone with the power to examine things and fix them.
Hell, any of us can spot a bot from a mile off, in a crowd of 20 monsters. Imagine what someone with access to server logs and such can do? The bottom line is that companies choose not to employ bot-hunters because they’d have to pay them.
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I can’t imagine there being a whole lot of people like that. I can see plenty of people who don’t mind it, but I can’t see many people actually liking and wanting it
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You cannot prove that, and I cannot prove that you’re wrong either, however its nice to have that option out there, removing it completely COULD upset people. (I personally like the token system, although I hope it isn’t 198 TP cause that is a bit expensive)
What are you talking about? No hard claims were made and nobody asked for proof until you brought up the topic of proof right now.
I’m simply saying I can’t imagine there being a lot of people like that.
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I’m talking about what you said here
I can see many people actually liking and wanting the tokens, but I can’t say that for sure right? Maybe I’m just sperging out over this… I did just wake up…
As far as I am aware “I can’t see many people liking it” is synonymous to “I can’t imagine many people liking it”. It’s not a hard claim at all. It’s my thoughts on a matter
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And automation to someone with the tools to examine basic metrics like player movement data, transaction logs, and login times - well, bots are actually incredibly easy to spot if you actually pay someone with the power to examine things and fix them.
Hell, any of us can spot a bot from a mile off, in a crowd of 20 monsters. Imagine what someone with access to server logs and such can do? The bottom line is that companies choose not to employ bot-hunters because they’d have to pay them.
[/quote]The other problem with outsourcing bot-hunting to someone else (often not knowledgeable enough about product in question) is that if they make their decisions based only on metrics and logs during their witch-hunting they are bound to hurt community with lots of false positives. And dealing with them in-game on per-case basis is not efficient in F2P game where it takes 2-3min to create another account.
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yeah I was sperging out, I just woke up and I’m pretty blarg atm
gomen 
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Very true, niz. With the key term being outsourcing. It works best in-office or at any rate in the same organization with the same lines of communication.
Even IF it would be possible from a pure money perspective - which it doesn’t - maybe those restrictions have an use, did you ever think about that?
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