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Wiz2 Kino3 X? Any comments

I know Cryo is strong, I dont want to play. Im considering Necro3, Sorc1/Warlock 2, Sorc2/Sage or Linker2/Sage. Anyone got opinions and want to tell me how much of a noob I am?

Play it if you like necro’s skills. The class is going to get much stronger soon. TBH might be the best choice with what you have so far because Surespell will help you cast flesh cannon, and summons will benefit from Kino’s CC.

I don’t recommend it. At that point wiz2 is a waste since it doesn’t help sorc or warlock at all.

If you’re fine with playing mostly support with psuedo DPS on Sorc, then this works.

You’ll be support. And will likely have a hard time killing things fast, though Joint Penalty + Hangman’s Knot will give you a nuke every once in a while. If you can deal with these, then this works fine too.

Thanks you pretty much summarized how I felt about each choice. Was always leaning towards Necro with the upcoming changes to begin with, just wanted to explore ideas.

kino 3 doesnt need wiz 2…

I know that but I didn’t take Wiz 2 because I wanted Sure Spell, I took Wiz 2 cause I didnt want Pyro or Cryo…

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you dont need surespell if you are kino c3

I know that but I didnt take wizard 2 for surespell.

sorry for not being clear but I think you kind of wasted a circle.
If you know that you are going kino 3, then dont go wiz 2. Take either cryo or pyro if not then rank 2 is wasted. Pyro’s fireball is getting a buff to 5 overheat and I think it might be worth getting because kino has bad single target dps.

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People play games for enjoyment. People play RPG’s to roleplay. If Nicciv dislikes the thought of maining a pyro or cryo, why are you trying to convince him to take those classes?

It’s never a waste to make choices for your own enjoyment. Wizard2 can at least give him stronger reflect shield if he goes full SPR for necro3, as well as better casting of the necro skills.

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Its good advice even if its not what I asked. I already considered both Cryo and Pyro before asking this question. My hope is honestly that the necro buffs to pets and the Corpse Gather and Flesh Cannon will be enough to fill the gaps between Kino spells. Hoping is the keyword, and I’m the type willing to try stuff to see if it works.

Im pretty well informed about the weaknesses of Psychokino in PvE and for the longest time I’ve put off making a build for Wizard as the only class that even appeals to me in the whole tree is Psychokino. Literally would not be making a Wizard if it was not Psychokino based and I dont enjoy PvP (I play primarily Swordsman and Archer characters). This is literally just for fun. I was looking more for advice about after Circle 5 stuff than for advice before hand.

Im well aware of the fact there are a number of strong builds out there that I can use from other people, but I play Tree of Savior casually and I don’t want to be the strongest there ever was cause honestly this game is to subpar to invest in something I don’t enjoy just to be good at a game that requires very little outside of time to be good at.

Though I do appreciate his advice even if it was not what I asked for.

Edit 1: Even before he made this post I was considering remaking to Pyro, but I want to get to Necro and see. I saw someone else post that they felt when they played Kino/Necro it was lack luster. But the hope is that with the upcoming changes I’ll be able to finally play a class Ive wanted to play since starting this game in a way that I might actually enjoy thematically. Not a fan of fire and Ice and if Elementalist had more lightning spells Id probably consider it.

Edit 2: Though I might actually be remaking anyways cause I didnt know reflect shield scaled off spirit. Do you think its worth it Valentine or is it just a nice thing to have. I put my points in Energy Bolt, Surespell, Sleep and Lethargy.

if you arent going to reroll, then maybe this could work
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#211444hff.11243a5a65.1f23314f516575.154555.1a28314a51

just that RC can be another class if you want. Main way to play this class is to use invocation and kill mobs with skills like gravity pole and pp, after they die, use evil sacrifice to direct spirits at other mobs.

One of my chars is Wiz3>Kino3>Warlock2. It has decent skill rotation and CC. But good quips is important since you dont have burst skill.

Just wait for a skill reset to come eventually. Reflect shield is not that important, but on a full SPR build it essentially adds ~4k hp to your effective hp pool (after defense modifiers and stuff).

I don’t think lethargy is worth putting more than one point into with your build, and energy bolt really isn’t either.

Whats your build look like Crossfall?

Tl;Dr: Would Necro2/Sage or Elementalist2/Sage be alright do you think, ultimately I just want Sage while avoiding Cryo and Pyro lol.

I originally made this character to go Wiz2/Kino3/Sorc2/Sage but I realized pretty quickly that Sorc 2 wasn’t going to give me much, so I turned to Necro to avoid Elementalist/Pyro/Cryo. Realistically I still want Sage cause that just seems to fit Thematically with Psychokino the best of any other class. So now Im considering Necro2 or Elementalist2. Necro seems like it needs 3 or wants 3 and Elementalist atleast has one skill that I like in Electrocute and seems like it’d still add some power to the kit.

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#2114441ff.19213f6a7585.1f253549516575.182a314a51

something like this. i dont get why you would think sage works with psychokino though.

Not mechanically works, thematically. They both manipulate forces outside the elements. It just seems like a natural progression thematically and developmentally for a character to go “I started off learning to control Gravity and now I can manipulate Space itself!” at least for me lol.