Wiz 3 INT vs SPR

[CookyKim]

Continuing the discussion from I went Wizard Circle 3 but I felt like I was useless:

I did some preliminary testing with quickcast attribute lvl 5.

So far my spreadsheet is telling me that auto attack has both higher DPS and Sustained damage than either energy bolt or magic missile. I will share it on google docs once I finalize it.

Ofc the highest DPS is to use auto + skills, but that burns SP so fast you’ll be out in a min or two. INT still seems like the better build compared to SPR so far.

Ok so I have my spreadsheet mostly complete. You can see the analysis here Google Spreadsheet. Keep in mind this data is representative for my build only. I still have to calculate the deltas stats to understand the trends.

Summary:

• Skills alone (no auto attacks during cooldown) scale better with SPR than INT for me, but damage including auto attacks is a different story.
• Plain auto attack deals slightly less damage than quickcast Ebolt combo (hitting 1 target), and over takes it after SP bottoms out.
• quick cast auto attack deals MORE damage than quickcast Ebolt combo (hitting 1 target) and quickcast magic missile (hitting 2/3 missiles), regardless of SP status.
• Auto attacking with skills will yield higher damage with INT if auto attacking comprises a larger portion of the combo; conversely more SPR will yield higher damage with combination favoring more skill usage.
• Quickcast + Auto is the most SP efficient combo (besides plain auto)
• Quickcast + MM + Auto is the 2nd most SP efficient combo and wins the 5 min sustained damage with its mix of good damage + SP efficiency
• Ebolt is almost never worth casting on 1 mob.
• DPM (1 min) is highest with full skill cycling: quickcast + Ebolt x 3 + MM x 2 + 4 auto + quickcast + Ebolt x3 + 9 auto & repeat
• At 5 mins combat time at least half damage comes from auto attack based damage.

Conclusion:

• Wizard is auto attack dependent
• SPR seems to give a bit more damage if you bottom out SP, compared to INT
• In the grand scheme of things, auto damage still counts more than the difference between SPR or INT build.
• If you build SPR you need to keep casting and trying to bottom out your SP or your SPR is wasted.
• If you build INT more than SPR then you should conserve SP and try to use SP efficient skills (like MM)
• If Ebolt hits 1 mob, you’re probably better off just using quickcast + auto
• quickcast + MM + auto does the most damage at 5 min
• IMC’s stat balancing is amazing. 1 INT gives almost as much as 1 SPR and vice versa.

So INT or SPR?

• INT gives you more damage outright, but if you bottom out on SP, your overall dps will drop
• SPR means less damage early on, but you might out damage an INT build if he bottoms out SP before you do.
• +SPR/Max SP items are more efficient
• SPR benefit takes a while to kick in (after 1 min in combat), and is only applicable in situation where you continuously cast.
• INT is better for auto attacking for long periods of time, like grinding crap mobs.

Edit: I realized my 5 min damage formula is incorrect. I guess I was too soon to share this . Too tired to fix it tonight, I will do so tomorrow.

Edit x2: I fixed it anyway. I think they are all correct now.

Edit x3: added %auto attack

Edit x4: NEW FINDING: SP DOES NOT REGENERATE DURING COMBAT (or regens very little / inconsistently).
So I updated the sheet and now conclude that INT build > SPR build in pretty much all situations. 99% of the time you can not get more total damage output building SPR even if you are able to cast more times. This is because damage scales with INT but the extra casts SPR brings does not offset the loss in damage from INT (thanks to no combat regen).

Now I’m not even sure if more powerful spell / attribute bonus will ever help the cause of SPR.

[ganesh0992]

What do you mean by caping out the SP? Use all the SP for the skills?

[CookyKim]

Yea, because if you build SPR your advantage is in additional SP capacity and a bit of SP regen. If you never tap into that extra SP capacity, you might as well have just built INT.

E.g. if base SP = 840, your SPR gives 320 SP, for a total of 1160 SP but you never use more than 840 SP, then rest to full SP, you might as well never had the SPR.

[ganesh0992]

Did you add any SPR? If you went full INT how often do you see yourself going out of SP and not being able to regen in combat? Lots of INT also helps in many attributes since they scale of MATK.

[CookyKim]

I did not add SPR, the 16 SPR in my spreadsheet is from item that gives +8 SPR.

I run out of SP all the time, then I spam blue potion if I’m fighting boss. Otherwise I just sit down and regen with campfire.

If I’m grinding mobs I just use autos unless there’s 3-4 mobs standing together or I’m sure my magic missile will hit 2~3.

[rage_rudeboy]

I will try resetting my stats to test the following:
Class: Wiz>Pyro>Link>Pyro
Level: 110
Stats Allocation(will be): 3:1 Int:Con
Stack SP: How many rounds i can use my combo
Conclusion: to follow

I still wanted to put some in CON since game is going against me right now the lag is killing me to be honest i can move like a ninja(jump around) skills and boss cant hit me but when lag spike ggwp

I dont know if this is related but as a fellow wiz going different way maybe they want to find out also.