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Why Shinobi need to lose evasion AND take 5x damage when using bushin?

Why the core skill for a shinobi need to be SO bad?

I feel so useless in dungeons because if I try to use my combo on the boss and got hit by 1 attack, im dead, its a one hit KO

And if I do my combo I need to run for 15 seconds until my bushins are gone

Why the bushin need to have this BOTH debuff? One isnt enough?

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Losing evasion by making clones really makes no sense to be honest, if anything it should be the opposite.
And x5 damage is simply overkill.

Obviously everyone knows IMC doesn’t even play their own game, but yeah.

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Because using 2x double slash is evidently 10x stronger than the overheat multishot or fireball.

Well …

Naruto should have died already if it was the same mechanics ;v

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If we integrated chakra as life force, then kyuubi as chakra monster, naruto literally have infinite hp by tos standard so yeah he will still alive even after using 1000 bunshin and taking dmg with it

Bushins arent like pet/zombies, they dont follow the target, they just stand behind you and follow you around, so, if you want to hit this skill you need to walk in front of you enemy and make the enemy saty in the middle of you and your clones

translation = horrible for pvp

The clones dont use skills in sequence, they dont use Kunai 2 times like I do, they only use 1 time and the second time they stay there, sometimes they throw the second wave, but its like a 20% chance

If you use your dual assault (corsair C2) your clones dont attack, they only stand there

If you try to attack a boss they stand in place and attack the air, if you want them to hit the boss, you need to do like the pvp example, you need to walk and make them stand in front of him

They only use Swordsman skills (really weak, unless the c3 one) and ONLY kunai, and like I saied, they cant use 2 times in a row without bug out and bug in place

And with everything I still take 5x damage and lose half of my evasion?

And you say its ALL RIGHT BECAUSE THEY CAN USE 1 SWORDSMAN SKILL!?

I really want to send you to horrible places, bro…

That’s why you cc your enemy first.

With what!?

The rope?

Kunai dont have great range, and if hit afar will not do damage

It obvious you dont know nothing about Shinobi

Well that’s a problem with you having a bad build then, not with the skill itself

Sounds more like you didn’t have a clue about shinobi. And now that the skills didn’t turn out like you expected them to be, you’re throwing a tantrum.

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Yeah… you really dont know about shinobi…

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Well, they sure did a great job on trolling sterotype fantasy characters.

Ninja/Kirto-esq classes, make them super weak and buff the He-Man and other unpopular type classes :grin:

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At least you admit it. That’s the first step in becoming a better player.

Edit: I like how you keep editing your posts after you realize that you screwed up again xD
Glad I got the original as a quote :grin:

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You have problems, son

Edit: LOL, you misunderstand my post, I edit to make more obvious and you
distorts to make fun like a primary child, whats your age, man?

It obvious you dont understand about the class, you dont understand how to debate and are just trolling around

One more time: Whats your problem? I will not responde any of your posts anymore, I will not fall in your baits, little brat troll :joy:

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You really don’t sense the sarcasm, do you?

IMC obviously hates swordman, and what is better than punishing the hyped ninja class by making them die in 1 shot? And especially after the class advancement quest that need you to camp spawn for 24 hours.

You shouldn’t be getting hit, you should be 2 shotting bosses… this is very easy to do on the level 200 dungeon boss

they only do this for swordies, give a nice bonus and then reduce your other important stat to make the whole thing rubbish. every nice buff has some annoyance attached to it.

@luca_macarini: Of course I make fun of you, if you attempt to insult me and fail so horribly at it.

No you don’t. And you know it. It’s not that I wouldn’t understand what you’re trying to say, It’s more like I do understand exactly, and show you what you did say instead in the mirror: quite the opposite.
The only reason you edit your posts is you realizing having screwed up and that what you wrote made you look stupid. And we both know that.
I, for my part, think that’s rediculously funny :grin:

What baits? It’s more like you rent an excavator, dig a big hole, fall in, and try to cover it up, before anyone else sees it.
Don’t blame me, I’m just a bystander with a camera.

Your way of discussing. Trying to lower the credibility of your opponents by questioning their knowlege of the topic instead of sticking to the facts and topic itself. And, while trying to always have the last word, questioning their maturity. Oh, please.

So we could either stick to the topic and discuss as if both of us were grownups, or I could continue to throw every single attempted insult of yours back at your face. Worked great so far. Up to you. I have fun either way :smile:

Just one thing: if you want to discuss: at least be a man and stick to your words for once, instead of beeing that flag in the wind, editing your entire posts over and over again, changing their meaning. You don’t want to have a discussion here, you just want to win, since you feel your character is on the line. And you obviously can’t do that with using logic and argumenting properly, so you keep going back on your own words. It’s pretty obvious you’re arguing from an emotional standpoint. At least that’s how you come across. That is basically my “problem”.
All questions answered?

Then let’s get btt, and for the sake of the discussion, write me your next insults via pm and stick to the topic instead, thx.


The thing is: I don’t think the skill is the entire problem here.

  • Clones missing the boss sounds like a bug. Or really bad pathfinding. Or both. Probably both.
  • Clones not using all skills could be a bug, or it could be intended. IMC would need to confirm that and either change the tooltip of the skill or fix the bug.
  • You getting oneshot by a boss… that sounds rather logical, since you take 5x the dmg. I think THIS is not a bug, but actually intended

To me, Bunshin no Jutsu does look more like a pvp skill, and not a shinobi-all-purpose-core ability:
You have to cc your pvp opponent first, bring your clones in range and get rewarded with a huge burst of dmg that could probably oneshot squishies.
To even it out, you take 5x the dmg if you make a mistake, since your defense is down.
High risk, high reward.

You can 2shot some bosses with luck, but honestly, I think the 5x dmg mechanic was implemented to prevent exactly that. Can you imagine a Dev walking into work one day: “Morning guys! You remember how we spend months on all those boss mechanics? Let’s design a ability, which let players skip that part of the game entirely! Sounds great, right?”
Those “you’re-not-doing-it-as-intended-so-you-get-one-shot”-failsaves are pretty comon for asian mmos, and imo it’s just bad gamedesign. (sry devs)

And yes, maybe you can’t pull the pvp combo off with your build, since you have no proper cc, but that is not a problem with the skill. The problem here is that your build isn’t made for utilizing it properly, since you didn’t know how exactly the clones would work, when you made it.
It’s a burst skill, not a summoner class for the swordsman-tree.
And I get that it sucks when a build you put time and effort in doesn’t play out as expected. But that’s part of ToS.

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LOL, perfect

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I’m laughing at the people here trying to defend IMC’s lack of common sense.

The game is completely unbalanced, just accept it and stop sucking IMC â– â– â– â– .

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