Allow TOS to have complete acess to your computer. When you launch TOS your computer restart in BIOS mode and install is own explotation system which can only run TOS and nothing else. The server would check the your computer memory and if there is anything else going on automatic ban.
If you want to talk on skype get yourself another computer.
You must be high right? This is the whole reason I was against allowing players to flag bots. Because then they tend to think it will magically solve the problem and the mods (who from what I understand are a smaller company) will magically poof and take away all the Bots who spawn 10 more for every one they lost. You think itâs bad now? Wait til F2P hits. Welcome to your first F2P MMO.
Thatâs a little extreme, isnât it?
Youâre right, youâre just running around spouting âm-muh bot problem!!1111 I know nothing about how the gaming industry works so everyone at forums pay attention to me!111â.
https://mmos.com/editorials/most-expensive-mmorpgs-ever-developed
Yes, these are the most expensive MMOs. No, not every MMO costs this much. Most of these MMOs have something in common though: they are all fairly new. The cost to develop a MMORPG has gone up drastically in the past 10 years.
If you think this game cost anything under 20 million dollars you are either insane or just stupid. Realistically I would imagine it cost probably around 30 million, but this is just speculation based on the amount of content inside. When you consider this game has been in development for over 5 years, that cost isnât that surprising anymore.
Now ToS sold to ~600,000 accounts on steam. This includes every chargeback bot account as well. Letâs just ignore that though. It probably does eliminate a ton of accounts, but we donât even NEED to take that into consideration.
Letâs assume the average player paid $25, which is a fairly generous estimate. Some players obviously bought all the DLCs, but a ton just bough the â$10â DLC to get in. Also due to the initial regional pricing, some players were getting in for as cheap as under $4, with their most expensive pack being under $20. I would gamble what the average player paid being around $15, especially given the large amount of SEA and BR players who got to pay significantly less (rightfully so), but even at $25 there is still plenty to work with here.
This means their total gross revenue would be 15 million. Now you have to remember that they are going through steam. Steam can partner in a variety of ways, and every contract is different, but you know they are definitely getting a cut out of this. Due to NDA the official numbers arenât allowed online anywhere, but the general estimate people have come up with from various hints being dropped is anywhere from 30-40%. Letâs assume on the low end and say ~33.3%.
This brings their total sales down to 10 million before you take into consideration all their other costs. You must remember they had to set up and maintain servers. They also have to keep a ton of personnel on staff to keep developing and maintain this game. This game assuredly cost way, way more than $10 million to produce.
Iâm sure youâll throw a fit over these numbers as they donât fit into your infantile whining, but these are all sound estimates.
There is a source showing how much an mmo can cost. I honestly dont care about bots in level 1-50 areas, Iâm not that level anymore, and most players wonât be for long either. The bots can be reported by the people theyâre bothering and then banned at the 24 hour mark. If you have an issue with that, switch channels to reduce the bots in your area. Then they wonât bother you so much.
Thats extreme, I like it.
sound estimates
Yeah, from your ass. You have no proof that these guys are in the red, in other words.
This thingâs a messâŚmindmapping software doesnât work the way I want it to. -__-
Open to all comers for additions and intelligent objections/notation of flaws that I wonât be able to instantly counter with client-server basics like server acknowledgements to client responses or relate to âcostsâ or âannoying to [lazy] usersâ gripes.
If you canât zoom-in on the image the Google Drive link is below.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BweRiRxx4CLoMW5PT1I3VHpnODg/view?usp=sharing
Overall, nothing is sent to the client other than the files temporarily used in the UI for the captcha, and the server does all the heavy work such as validation and making sure the filenames are as random as computers can make them (since computers canât actually create ure randomnessâŚfor now)
:I realized that at least one aspect of the system on the client side (UI/Captcha animation) could be shut off with illegal modification of the client, or even hooked by a plugin to display the CAPTCHA without the animations, allowing OCR software to read the images, and reply correctlyâŚno amount of obfuscation on the client to hide the UI function, animations, or where the images are loaded into would prevent a coder from finding and hooking it.
A good anti-cheat/anti-debugger would be needed to stop the hooking, and it would mean IMC would have to whitelist addons in the future, or simply disallow it altogether, which would suck.
You are beyond teaching, the worst kind of fool. I honestly pity you. I am done trying to educate you.
its more then small its non existant 
72 hr block on trading for new acocunt and 48 hours to transfer, a bot needs to stay alive for 5 whole days to even get 1 single transfer of its botting to any one buyer.
Not bad, though I feel the bots would end up falling into the 3x Incorrect Choices unless the area could not be typed or keylogged into. As in, if all else fails, mash numbers and give the command for enter, three times.
And then thereâs the flaw you noted; the death of addons. I donât use them, but they do seem very useful to people. Canât judge if itâd be a sacrifice for a greater good because of that.
This is true. However, IMC doesnât seem to be any closer to stopping those accounts from being made. When F2P hits there will be hundreds of players asking the same questions I have-- as well as bots that donât have to spend a single cent of their RMT money to get in. The situation will be far worse. Iâm far from sensitive to these kinds of things, but even Iâm put off by it.
If the community responds to those people the same way they have been responding to me⌠I dunno. You people donât have to care about the lower levels, but it will be a lot of peopleâs first impressions of the game. I have a lot of experience with communities dying early because of toxic situations and unbearable playing conditions. Lag + Bots + Crowding will turn away a lot of people.
Yeah I could put up with the game, but Iâve already had a hard time caring about the game since about CBT2. Knowing that IMC isnât on top of the ball makes the bot situation feel more permanent and depressing. Unfortunately most people are going to reply to me saying âthen donât play.â Itâs kind of sad when thatâs the more appropriate option.
Because the 3rd-parties combined have more resources available. As a whole, itâs a GMâs job to answer support tickets, monitor in-game activity every once in awhile, compile reports on bugs and other feedback and send it to the Developers, and check all of the [Report Bot] reports which require them to check the prior activities of each one to make sure itâs actually a Bot and not some kids getting mad at each other and saying âi report uâ. Meanwhile, RMTâers job as a whole is to employ bots, monitor their activity, and handle transactions; the majority of this process is fully automated.
Theyâre outnumbered. The solution isnât âHire moar people Work moar hoursâ, but to employ a sufficient-enough in-game system for combating them that the majority of the Bots canât regularly bypass. With a bit more improvement, maybe that system can be this: https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377
[quote=âSTAFFâ]Accounts with high report counts will then move to the next step of verification. Some have suggested using CAPTCHA, but that too, will be breached eventually. It puts needless restrictions on the players, so we are not considering its use. Instead, what we chose to use is a server-side classifier based on Machine Learning (ML) technique.
The classifier uses the comprehensive activity log of a reported account to determine if itâs a bot in percentages. We will not be revealing the classifierâs exact mechanism, as it can be manipulated by violators to bypass the system. We train our classifier by constantly inputting new data. The fact that we can maintain its accuracy is its advantage, because weâre going to manually determine which factors should be considered to identify bots. The classifierâs accuracy depends on how we determine the behavior criteria, and we examine over 20 basic criteria. The machine showed 99% accuracy on our Korean server when we set the machine to output fewer false positives. If we set strictness value low, the classifier will detect more bot with lower accuracy and vice versa.
An account that is deemed to be a bot becomes subject to restriction after a GMâs additional confirmation. If that account gets banned, then all the users who reported that account gain one RII point.[/quote]
Either way, âBot armiesâ are becoming more popular and the yearly profits that a single RMT group can earn when successful at it on an F2P MMO can easily land in the mid to late 5-digits or even 6-digits in USD if the game is really popular. With that income, theyâre not gonna stop unless theyâre found irl, and they have the freedom of restarting them after ban-waves at any time of the day including weekends.
Sorry, until they come up with some miracle system, youâre just gonna have to put up with this. Itâs the norm now, although IMC is doing a better job than most at trying to break away from it. The next popular F2P MMORPG you find is going to have the same problem and the sooner people realize this, the better.
Thanks, Iâll mark this as solved since Iâm satisfied with this answer. I AM an ignorant person when it comes to these things, but I just wanted some proof behind these âfactsâ people are trying to throw at me. This thread was simply a question, not a demand or a criticism like many seemed to mistake it for.
The flaw you mentioned is the very thing I referring to. The team I worked on had a member that was hired before me⌠Who used to be an ex-botter, who âHexedâ (modified) the client, and was offered a job due to his skills. We werenât the first to come up with hiring an offender to get rid of them. Jagex, and Runescape actually did this a long time ago, hiring and paying the guy who had made a botting/RMT website to help the team get rid of bots. I had suggested using Captcha for our server, because another game (rather, a private server of Aura Kingdom) had used that function, and it worked wonders on bots⌠For a while. It was an image, containing a 6 digit number, that would teleport people back to town if they failed 3 times, giving them 60 seconds to complete it. If they failed, they would receive a debuff that basically disabled skill use, if I remember correctly. If they passed, they got a small 10% EXP boost for a short period of time (10-30 minutes, canât remember the exact number), and would have a longer delay between the next Captcha (which appeared during any item use, skill use, or item gathering).
He basically told me that modifying the client was all it would take to bypass it, just like with most other things. You know, the only thing we came up with (we never got to implement it, because it was out of our scope due to our team size and time constraints) that we thought might actually have a chance of working was the idea of designing our own HackShield-like software⌠Designed to meet our own needs, to cater specifically to our game. That way, we wouldnât have to worry about some team of botters countering any fix or modification we made to the software, because we could instantly counter it if they countered, unlike with the actual HackShield (and similar programs) in which you would have to wait for the team to make a fix. Even then⌠With everything he had said was possible just by modifying the client⌠It made me doubt the possibility of ever having a bot-free game without somehow finding a way to completely remove any reason botters would have for botting.
Other than that, as far as Captchas go, outside of that experience⌠Iâve been told that in any instance where the code is provided as an image, and it requires you to type the answer, that answer is stored somewhere within the client the moment it is sent to the client to test the user, which picks a random one, usually within a limited number (not truly random since it is a specific number, usually 1000 or 10,000 sets of number combos) of random number sets of 6 digit/letter combinations, but theyâre supposedly present client-side whenever itâs on your screen⌠Which means they can be deciphered by Captcha Breaker, and similar programs. Same goes for image-based ones, since there are image recognition programs out there that can be modified to do the same thing.
Iâve been racking my brain on how to actually solve the TOS bot problem, but what I keep coming up with are countermeasures to the solutions Iâve come up with⌠Captcha was the first one I actually came up with before realizing it just wonât work with how advanced technology is, and how easy it can be for these guys to solve them. It doesnât help that Iâm used to working with a population of 10,000 or less, and I know that this server is potentially going to have far more than that upon the F2P release⌠Which means far more bots. If theyâre willing to pay for entry now, then who knows how many will come once entry is free?
While I donât agree that Captchas would solve anything, and I understand that they wonât risk Captchas because âSome have suggested using CAPTCHA, but that too, will be breached eventually. It puts needless restrictions on the players, so we are not considering its use,â what I donât understand is how they can justify that excuse, when their current methods of preventing RMT are doing the same (putting needless restrictions on players)⌠Yeah, preventing Silver transfers in trades, and restricting Market trades to 48 hours (due to having bans every 24-48 hours) makes sense⌠What doesnât make sense is making the game so that there is a 30% Market Tax (such a massive tax to sink out Silver from the Silver Generator bots, yet such a tax affects us all, and people raise prices to counter the taxes), and very limited amount of trades and Market Slots, if you donât have a Token⌠For wanting to prevent RMT, this structure is known to make RMT valuable to those who cannot afford things monetarily, and the casuals who âdonât have time to grind out enough Silver to buy things from other players.â
I keep saying it, but, âTo remove the bot problem, you must remove their incentive to bot.â RMT bots (farmers, and advertisers) are here to generate Silver to sell because there is a market in it, because of how IMC has the game set up. General non-RMT bots are present because they donât have the time to farm Silver.
The current structure of the game is literally benefiting and tempting them. I seriously hope the Developers understand that, rather than just doing it this way out of greed, and being blind to it (or simply ignoring it).
lol bot u reported 3hrs agoâŚkiddo,they cant simply cater to ur needs just becos âU reported a bot 3hrs agoâ
think it through, how many players would be doing the same as well
and how many reports would they have to look through and IMC team are humans too.
they cant be here 24/7 just becos some players are affected by bots.
i was having issue with bots too.
to the point that i cant grind,
what do i do?
head out to do quests from another area without bots,
Absolutely, that would give IMC more time to deal with the bots before they can cause much damage. Altough, knowing the community there would probably be raging objections about restricting the game, which I can partially agree with.
Iâm of the opinion that any measures taken to stop bots should have no- to very little effect on legitimate players.
Thats mostly because they bascally keep rehasing the same games, at least the big companies do, they donât even try to do anything new and people are getting tired of the exact same game cloned over and over with a new number on it. Prime examples are FPS games, and most shooters since they all are the exact same game. I tell ya gaming would be dead by now if it wasnât for the indie devs and smaller game studioâs. Hell undertale a mostly black and white rpg was the 3rd highest scoring pc game of 2015 on meta critic, only ones higher were GTA5 and some other game. Undertale shows that gameplay generally > graphics. A pretty game thats trash is still trash its just trash with glitter on it. Sadly though with how sheep/cattle-like most gamers are today making a game look pretty is enough to sell it enough.
As much as Iâd like the anti-bot stuff to have little effect on legit players its pretty much impossible to do if they want to actually deal with the problem. Iâm still all for a capcha system, donât believe idiots that say a bot can easly bypass it, because its not as easy as you think. Most games that have a capcha added that used to have a bot problem suddendly doesnât have a bot problem anymore. The âbotsâ that get past the capcha are probally having the game client open while the bot is running and they are watching it to answer capchas, there is no way they can make something that can solve a capcha fully automated, especally not one that asks a question like: Choose the 3 fruits and it has 8-10 pictures to choose from, and the capcha spawns in diffrent places every time. If there is a program that can automatically solve these without any human interaction at all, link it to me, iâd love to see it.
Capchaâs do nothing vs botters that actually watch it once in a bit so they can answer it, but versus a fully automated bot? itâll get them everytime. If someone is watching the bot its only semi-botting. Botting to me=compeltly automated you start it then leave it.
Like i said there is really 2 ways to deal with it, either A) Do something with the packets/netcode so the bot program cannot use it, or B) implement a decent capcha system which will nail the autotomis(sp?) bots pretty much everytime, but yeah, any bot runner thats watching it can solve it, those are the only ones that get past a capcha.