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✅ Pros and ❎ Cons of the Add-on Policy

General Discussion
#1

In case you missed it, IMC recently made an announcement regarding their stance on the use of add-ons: https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=503

It may still come as vague for some, but the most critical statement here is as follows:

  1. Restrictions incurred by add-on usage
    When penalizing users of certain add-ons deemed inappropriate by our standards, we will announce the list of add-ons or functions. Any users using those add-ons or functions after the mentioned time-period on such announcements will be penalized.

###:white_check_mark: Pros

This will give the users freedom to test and use any add-on they see fit without fear of being permabanned for unintentionally using an add-on that will eventually be deemed illegal.

This will also allow add-on makers to create more and improve on what they’ve already shared with the public.

###:negative_squared_cross_mark: Cons

Due to the “time-period” allowance, any add-on user/maker can use an obviously illegal new add-on as long as he can until IMC is made known of its existence, and still get out of the situation scot-free as long as he keeps himself updated of these announcements.

As soon as that add-on gets banned, a new variant of it may pop up until getting banned again. Rinse. Repeat.

###:question: A Better Solution

As some have suggested, and considering IMC has a lot of other things to fix in this game, it would probably be better to have a section in the forum (probably maintained/updated by a staff or mod) or a page on the website where users can submit/report and vote on add-ons, and the popular ones get officially tested by IMC themselves before putting it in a list of approved add-ons (or “illegal add-ons” if it’s deemed so after testing).

The userbase also has a number of devs/programmers who’s willing to help with the culling and a few might be willing to review the code.

Let the users do the dirty work of filtering (it benefits us anyways). Less work for IMC.

ps. the forums badly need mods (or at least people who can flag posts more than once per day)

#2

The best solution is to not allow addons at all. Dont get me wrong i love addons but this community would and will ruin it eventually.

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#3

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4415678.jpg

the site was already at peace then OP decides to post another topic like this.

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#4

no 1 cares no 1 read it go drink bleach u busted betty ok bye

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#5

Dang, the anti-addon squad is here. Sorry to rustle your jimmies.

I just thought a preventive measure (informing people beforehand what’s ok and what isn’t) is better than being proactive or reactive (do something about the sh!tstorm).

#6

I don’t think they will allow a time period on oublivous Illegal add-on
(Anything like … Range melee attack etc…)
Thing like cwAnywhere will probably get the time period (Already ban but as an exemple)
And edited (Almost the same add-on or copycat) Will probably still be illegal and be ban on use after the time perdiod.

#7

They should just make an exception for severe cases, such as being able to pull currently spawned Jackpot/Boss monster locations from the server or automated functions that fall into botting territory and insta-ban them with no prior warning since those directly violate the ToS, which is what they’ll hopefully do.

None of the IMC Devs are gonna want to view all these addons on a case-by-case basis in the long run (Assuming the game gets more popular), and we definitely can’t trust the community to review the code for them and say “It’s okay”; Programmers or not.

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#8

better solution would be let IMC implement the add-on as a feature in-game

instead of us copy pasting add-ons that are available let it get absorb by IMC and make their own and implement it.

its like in dota 2 tournaments

item buy notification on spectator mode was a mod or add-on by the production that handles the tournament and then after a week or 2 they made it a feature for everyone.

next one was the team fight calculation where you see skills used and gold loss/gain during the team fight and also the roshan timer.

now they implemented the mana bar on spectator mode so they can see the mana bar on top of the screen below the hero’s hp bar

they just need to get permission from the add-on dev if they want their add-on be implemented as a feature instead of just an add-on

#9

100% agree with this. If it goes against the rules that blatantly it’s no different than using a 3rd party program. I actually consider something like your example more damaging in many ways.

#10

The new policy is perfect and especially user friendly. And even more especially for those that have no programming knowledge or aren’t advanced users.
Simply a perfect solution.

#11

It’s not too bad but you need to be constantly keeping yourself update and all.

A white list would actually be preferable. But maybe this is a good middle ground.

#12

I agree with the police they announced.
Imo, it’d be helpfull if the devs themselves were to post the information about their add-ons in a specific forum post, to clarify not only the players, but also the Moderators about the specific functionalities of such addon.
I think that they should create a new category under general discussion exclusively for addon developers.

#13

Just gonna throw this out there, but didnt IMC basically say they dont support addons?
What OP is suggesting would mean the exact opposite.
I’m going to go and assume that any addons that allow blatant hacking will lead to bans straight away(i doubt if there’s a botting add-on they’re gonna just sit there and let ppl bot til x date), anything thats a repeat of an already banned add-on would probably mean a similar fate.

#14

“1. We do not endorse the usage of add-ons due to the possibility of user harm and other various dangers.
Any damage or inconvenience that occurs from using add-ons is the responsibility of the user.”

There won’t be any sort of “Approved List” or some sort of Whitelist for Add-Ons.
It’s just not smart to endorse something from a third-party that can be updated to become either unsafe for the user (sneaky virus/malware hidden in the download) or bad for the game (cxAnywhere, Auto-Pot). Because users will continue downloading updates if one lists it as a “ToS Approved Addon” and they don’t want any responsibility for those negative events.

I do agree that an add-on forum, where people can vote for add-ons could be useful though.

IMC could probably make use of those add-ons (Either the code, or just the idea) to better the game for themselves. Such as IIRC, kToS has a chatbox that looks similar to Miei’s Classic Chat? While I doubt it has the same functionaility, the fact that they bettered the chat box officially is a step in the right direction IMO.

With the forum, they would be able to see what add-on idea is most popular, and perhaps think about developing those into the official client since they’ll have an idea of their popularity.
Anything they make themselves will obviously be approved as a feature, and no risk of ban.