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Where is the balance after patch?still tree of clerics

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#1

lets compare sereval skills

Ein Sof from kabbalista :lv5 +100%max HP, lv10 Ein Sof grant 200% max HP just like before.

While Rune of giants from rune caster used to give +100%Max HP and now after patch it’s only 20% and it needs 4s to cast and also it cost material, it’s ok if it has only these restrictions,the problem is after getting this buff one can only use skills of wizard and rune caster, all of those making it a useless skill.

and another skill :rune of protection also needs 4s to cast and cost material. lv5 has only 50% immune to debuff(not even as effective as 2 +90 SPR bracelet before the patch).,
oracle is rank6 as well,and it can perfectly immune to debuff,.25s CD for 10 hits and almost make it last forever and won’t hit the limit.

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#2

You need to be someone with tree of patience
Rushing stuff in tos will produce more bug
lol

#3

fails to mention giants gives 20 movespeed and takes 5 skill points not 10 and has triple duration.

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#5

the point is its useless even if it has those advantages : ) after getting this buff one can only use skills of wizard and rune caster, while Ein Sof they can use it as they like

#6

so useless that 90% of runecasters use it.

#7

They said they would look into Runecaster.

They also said they wouldn’t release Leticia cube on iTOS though…

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#8

Rune caster really dude, that is not a wizc3,elememec3,wl. get rekt!

dude i am making a cleric today i have heard that sadhu are badass now and they are balancing clerics very well since they love them so much, oh my i will just enjoy the cleric master race lol.

#9

Edit: Skill description wrong. The Korean description of Rune of Giants says it affects you or an ally, while the English one is trash and tad wrong with its you and your allies <_<

Still, I’ll go and grab that Rune of Giants on my Wizard3>Thauma3>Runecaster>Enchanter. It’s just so much fun since you can just jump and stomp mobs to their deaths xD

About Rune of Protection: Resistance against debuffs is > debuff immunity of Prophecy (only Rank 1 debuff immunity), because all debuffs that aren’t Rank 99 can be resisted, meaning you have 50% additional chance to resist Rank 1,2 and 3 debuffs(60% at level 6 with Divine Might).

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#10

no no no,rune of gaiants affect just 1 single character as well

#11

Are you comparing a rank 6 class skill to a rank 7 class skill?
And then are you generalizing it to “All clerics are better then all wiz, clerics op”?

I mean you can, but I just want to be clear if that is what you are going. And while we are all it, you can have EnSof if you can give me perma-CC and MH :slight_smile:

#12

I would take 20% more hp/def/speed over 100% more hp anyday

#13

I don’t think this is a good example to compare though…

that rune of giants has different purpose

while rune of protection and prophecy is also a mistake… Leave the cleric do the job to status ailment prevention.

Not to mention that clerics are all slowpokes with exception of bokor but still lose against chrono

#14

Rune Of Giant:

  • Lasts 150 seconds with a 120s cd (100% uptime)
  • Increases defense and maximum HP by 20%
  • Increases Movement Speed by 20
  • With attribute gets even more HP depending on CON

Ein Sof:

  • Lasts 50s with a 60s cd (not 100% uptime)
  • Gives 100% HP
  • Attribute regens SP at the cost of half the HP (since most people use this, they “only” get 50% HP)
    And yes, I’m comparing Ein Sof 5 to Rune Of Giant 5. Because it’s just stupid to compare skills at different levels.

So, what’s your issue ? You’re complaining because they get more HP while you get HP, defense, and incredible movement speed ?

Oracle and Rune Of Protection:
“It can perfectly immune to debuff” -> only level 1 debuffs.
“Almost make it last forever” -> Prophecy can indeed be up all the time if you level it enough (exactly like Rune Of Protection), but you can easily go over the 10 hits limit and lose it before it ends.
Trying to make Prophecy look like OP while it’s just a decent skill with its cons and pros is pretty funny though.

You’re also comparing a full support class to a class who is supposed to deal damages. You just make it look like you’re not pleased one class can’t have both OP support and damages.
Difficult to take your complaint seriously when you make such moot comparisons.

#16

the problem is after getting the buff of rune of giants one can only use skills of runecaster and wizard, but after u get ein sof u can still use all skill, u can still be in Ausrine or Revive,Mackangdal,stay in Safty zone or Counter spell etc…and a cleric with full CON can heal themsevles in a second( more than 200kk Max HP)

#17

Even Cleric C1-C2 add so much versatility and utility.

Heal - can be both DPS and one of the very few skills that actually heal.
Safety zone - blocks incoming damage and makes you immune to knockbacks [A major problem for other melee builds, thats the reason hackapell is so underplayed atm. Swordsman gets pain barrier, clerics got this.]
Cure - Same as heal, can be used for both damage/utility.

Divine Might - Makes everything better.

Even at 330 you will find yourself using all the skills above very often. Compared to archer, for example… Full draw is great, but not easy to land. Multishot requires falconer 1-3 to be useful. Swift step is useless without its passive and oblique shot is used only at early levels.

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#18

are u calling cleric a full support class?? it will be ok if they are full support
i have to say that cleic deals dmg not less than anyother class,and tanker than anyone,they are the only class which can heal,and have a lot of invincible buffs/skills.

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#19

I’m one of the few wiz that use rune of giant for … Is jump attack (Jumping as giant proc a true aoe basic attack proc everything you would normaly does)
-Normal Hit/Cafrisum/Enchant Fire/Sacrement/ToyHammer/Enchant lighting
ToyHammer + Thaum3 Buff can reach a sweet amount of damage.
Transpose + Giant give me over 40k Hp once I cancel transpose and be full int to boost my Normal Attack/Toy.
Otherwise I can keep transpose to have over 85k+ Hp.
With a chaplain we got spam blessing and last rite.
Linker3+Chaplain(For got LifeLine-Full Spr for better buff)
Linker2+Qs3 (We got Running shot share by Spiritual chain, additional damage line and a really good one since we can True AoE jump on everything)

In short it an explaination of a rip off Chaplain Mage

#20

worse kabbalist is rank 7 not 6, and to get 10 points in it like he shows would be rank 8 lol.

#21

I don’t think you have played a cleric in recent times. Esp since the patch.

#22

Just you wait for Ein Sof lv15 :wink: (unless it gets capped :<)

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