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What's up with this wolfknights game?

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#1

Tree of Savior is not even finished and has loads of bugs, exploitation, botters and the game was only released a few months ago (internationally) ‘officially’ after a long beta period. (I know it was released in Korea a few years ago)

What I want to know is why? The slow updates and slow response time to serious game breaking exploits/bugs and balance issues are because they were spreading their resources to another game? I know it is common for big companies to dedicate resources to other game projects but ToS feels… abandoned? Sure they are doing things with it but there are some serious game breaking issues going on that needed to be addressed immediately and were not.

Is it because ToS actually is an ‘old’ game as it has been out in Korea for a couple years already? Then what was the international launch for if they were going to invest most of their resources into developing another game instead of fixing up and continuing to polish Tree of Savior into a better game?

I do not want to be lumped together with ‘doom knights’ so if someone can give me some reasons to help ease my mind of this negative thinking it would be great. I only do not understand why they would delegate their limited resources to another game project when they already have a seriously unpolished and unfinished game that needs some tender love & care.

TL;DR - Did IMC delegate most of their staff to work on another game and leave ToS severely understaffed to handle the serious issues wrong with it?

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#2

Obviously it’s all speculation at this point, but this also is leaving me scratching my head. ToS has so much potential and the little tidbits of Wolfknights I’ve seen does not look unique in the slightest. FFS, you lost 40k players in a matter of months. Fix ToS, make it the great game it can be.

It almost makes me wonder if it’s just gonna continue to be a money grab for as long as they can squeeze TP out of people and use that money towards this new game :confused:

#3

I have made this assumption and a topic like this as well -
their HQ are a very small team working on ToS
Putting their best developer into Wolf Knights perhaps?
or maybe they just lack an experience in publishing a huge MMO franchise?
from all i heard around kTos and iTos about IMC is that they have terrible upper management team as well greedy marketing team.

#4

Game company is there to make money. To grow, they need to produce more games. This is what they do. I’m sure you don’t expect SquareEnix to just release FF14 and nothing else. For that matter, you don’t expect Blizzard to release WoW and nothing else besides that.

#5

I will not argue against this point as I already stated I know that this is true. However comparing AAA game developers to a small developer like IMC seems unreasonable. SE and Blizzard seem to have quality standards for their products and, while Blizzard has released multiple games over the years, they still pamper WoW with new updates, albeit not always ‘good’ updates.

FFXIV is still going strong as one of the top MMOs currently if I am not mistaken. If what you say is true with IMC and Tree of Savior, then IMC has no intentions of polishing this game and, therefore, ToS is simply a cash grab while they develop other things.

I do not want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but that is the impression I get when applying the “Game company is there to make money” ideology to Tree of Savior.

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#6

It says Wolfknight’s game engine is being developed in-house

I hope it isn’t as ridiculously terrible as Tree of Savior’s unoptimized buggy mess.

Game looks generic as hell…

#7

Right, but aside from the fact those are way bigger companies with many many times the resources that IMC has, think of a game like WoW. They really set the standard for what an MMO should be because they dedicated so much time and money to really make it the gold standard it became. They need to spend more time focusing on making ToS the best it can be ESPECIALLY because there’s so little money to work with.

#8

it is not a bad ideology, but combined with logistic it would make more sense.

The revenue and success of WoW sprouted amazing new Blizzard Games.

However Tree of Savior is not successful as one may think, I don’t see it generating any great profits for future games.

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#9

Would you say that maintaining an image of quality with their games is not as financially important as releasing multiple games attempting to cash grab each of them to fund new projects in an endless cycle?

If they poured their hearts and resources into making ToS polished and amazing instead of this sloppily thrown together excuse of a game, would it have had a bright financial future, or do you feel as if it would have suffered anyways to the fickle nature of gamers in the current year of 2016?

It is something I always thought about but I can never come to a conclusion. Is it worth polishing an MMORPG in the modern days to be a high quality game or would it be too risky because gamers seem to jump ship to the first fancy new game being released (aka fickle nature of gamers).

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#10

With the small size of their team,I would bet money on it.

Which is a real shame,because people are obviously more interested in ToS.Wolfknights brings nothing new to the table,and certainly won’t stand out from the sea of competition.Seems like both games will fail from poor prioritizing.

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#11

I’m pretty sure Wolfknights has been in development parallel to ToS for a long time, as a successor to GE the same way ToS is meant to be a successor to RO. I don’t see anything really inherently weird or wrong about this. It’s not really uncommon for Asian MMO companies to have multiple games running simultaneously, just look at all the ■■■■ Perfect World runs, or Nexon for that matter.

#12

Actually, from a business point of view, I think it was a great success considering the size of IMC and its ability to globalize so quick. You have to admit they did do what no company has done so far with localization and everything else.

#13

All online games are a cash grab. They don’t make online games for charity. Online games make profit with very little resources. It is like the best money maker there is. You can read my post above. From a business point of view, I think IMC is very impressive. If I am the CEO of IMC, I would introduce multiple games too to expand the enterprise.

Though I do have to remind you that FF14 and WoW has had their own drawbacks and shadows. And just because you are a smaller company, doesn’t mean you should have a chance to expand.

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#14

I would argue that the “spiritual successor to RO” and the game being designed by the maker of RO is what helped IMC tremendously with their speedy ‘localization’. The staff on these forums cannot even communicate with us in English and their handling of very serious exploits and problems are slow and amateur at best.

I do not want to come off as arguing against your points because your feedback is appreciated since I am looking for other viewpoints but some things do not add up so let me clarify:

I do not think anyone is ignorant enough to not understand that a game developer is a business. Businesses need to make money. In fact, running a business is so stressful that even if the business started off with a “Dream to make video games” it will very quickly devolve into a pro-profit company anyways.

What I feel is lacking from games like Tree of Savior is a certain quality level that helps me feel like the developer cares about the products they are developing for the consumers. A level of care that lets me feel comfortable playing their games and enjoy them carefree.

That was what WoW did for me though I have not tried FFXIV I have been thinking about it.

IMC can develop as many games as they want but if they are spreading their resources too thin to deliver quality products to the consumer and, instead, delivers a series of low quality games, then they will be subject to harsh criticism which is where the term “cash grab” comes to mind.

Gamers seem to be emotionally invested in their games. Especially an MMORPG people are just looking for something to settle down with for a year or longer, make friends and just enjoy the game world. But when quality appears low and a company appears “neglectful” that hurts their business image.

The gaming industry is weird like that but like other businesses, people expect a quality product: at least high enough quality to hide the reality that the company is making the game to make money.

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#15

Oh no, we are not arguing but rather having an intellectual debate.

I understand your view point, but I think you are only thinking in term of your own experiences and not looking at a board view point. Though I do agree with some of the things that you have stated. Such as IMC isn’t delivering products that is satisfying their consumers. And personally, I don’t think they will be able to at the moment because they are expanding faster than they can handle. I mean look at IMC’s platform, even though they are hosting their own game, (In which, name one other korean company besides Gravity that has ever done that.) all their equipment and resources are from a third party. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GM and Staff are a third party group from a call center. To be honest, it is more cheap to do so than to set everything up yourself. And I really don’t believe IMC has the capability of doing it themselves at the moment. After all, they are a small company that has already done plenty.

Now as for gamers who are invested in this game emotionally. And are needing to “settle” down. I suggest whoever is doing so and is reading this post to check their life’s priority and get some help. What you just described is an addiction and if you are needing a game to satisfy your life emotionally, then please, put down the keyboard and get help.

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#16

well at least we know we have to go mage and not swordman in that game…

#17

Ha. Anywhere else on the internet this would be suspect, on the ToS forums it’s downright impossible.

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#18

Sometimes it is important to remind people that you are not trying to start an argument and that you are only trying to have a civil discussion. People sometimes feel as if their intellect is being ‘threatened’ when someone does not agree with them right away. Not everyone is an idiot or an entitled brat, but most people immediately assume that their ideas are being invalidated by the existence of an opposing viewpoint.

Another noticeable trend I see psychologically is the tendency to immediately assume that the other person will not see their viewpoint even if they made good points regarding it.

In a true civil discussion people will start with different ideas and come to meet each other half way or, in some cases, they are persuaded completely to the other side.

In the case of a person actually being stupid, they will argue a half-witted and weak viewpoint completely ignoring any intellectual views against their ideology and fail to accept or meet halfway with opposing ideas.

That is very much anti-intellectual and those are the people you can just pass off as dumb and either troll them or spend your time doing more productive things.

Psychology fascinates me.

#19

I don’t think that’s what he was trying to say.
MMOs are the TV series of the gaming world. You’ll come back every day or week to watch a new episode and be hyped if a new season stars. If the series is good then you’ll probably follow it for years. You’ll probably be emotionally invested in the story and the characters. That doesn’t mean you are addicted … addiction is something self destructive, you do things because you have to, not because you like or enjoy them.

I’m playing MMOs for 15 years now and I’ve spend a lot of time in some of them. I’ve met nice people there, I’ve made new friends or played with my husband and real life friends; so of course I was emotionally invested in the games … if you play an MMO long term the game will be full of memories, funny things that happened with your friends. In the same way I’m emotionally attached to certain TV series, because I watched them with my husband, we laughed together about them or sometimes shed some tears together.

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#20

Nah… i think that what hes really trying to say… tbh XD…

Still gonna watch from afar though… ain’t my business…