What gaming company/organization would you trust to handle Tree of Savior properly? ^o.o^

[xinronyr]

OMG we need more of this in ToS! Then I can re-enact Anti Mage or Spectre with Diffusal Blade. One of many reasons why swordies will actually get some love and be on a similar platform to the other classes if in their hands.

Mana burn would work in ToS since you have SP regen and mana potions capable of restoring mana. You could balance Mana burn strictly around abilities.

I do not agree with Mana burn in DotA though. Too easy to shut down INT heroes that rely on mana to CC and stay relevant later in the game.

These start off really weak, and require a lot of skill and game knowledge to get to that state. The other team will tend to have 1 of these too so teamwork is still the deciding factor. Plus, each hero has at least 1 counter hero so there’s never a guarantee that you’ll steamroll your way to victory.

Let’s take a look at ToS. How do you counter someone that has Ausrine, Rx7, and Prophecy all on the same char? Then their teammate is likely to be a PD as well. All they need is 1 half decent damage dealer is victory is assured. Easy to see why clerics dominate the rankings.

How about like every swordsman against Subzero Shield? You may as well start dancing, same outcome.

I was comparing DotA / DotA 2 to LoL not ToS. I’m assuming you’re trying to justify DotA balancing for a game like ToS. While DotA definitely has interesting mechanics and depth, it doesn’t work for a MMO because most of the abilities and items are just too strong.

Riot’s balancing would be much more effective for a MMO. if you look at LoL heroes, they scale based off of coefficients instead of flat abilities with different cooldowns. We’ve already seen how “good” flat scaling is for ToS (that’s sarcasm btw).

And yet that game is balanced enough to be one of the premier titles for competitive esports.

Please don’t mistake balance with popularity from WC3FT. A lot of loyal DotA players were looking for a DotA platform on its own engine without being held back by the limitations of the Warcraft engine and shudders battlenet.

DotA is fun. DotA has more depth than LoL. But unfortunately, I would not want Icefrog to be in charge of balancing ToS mechanics, unless you want 10+ second silence/erosion on someone, completely locking them out or stunlock mechanics…

Oh wait, we already have something like that because there are no diminishing returns on CC and look at how balanced ToS pvp is.

Again, this is where LoL would shine because you actually have reasonable mechanics like Cleanse and Hourglass, something akin to the PvP trinket available in WoW that removed CC and had a cooldown. Not to mention the CC isn’t on-hit in LoL like it can be in DotA, regardless of your build-up argument.

eh storm, u took him too seriously u know, u fall for his bait

he clearly is a solo dota guy never joined any competitive 5v5 dota, not even a local cyber small tourny

typical ako mid bobo gago mid or feed

You can make as many incorrect assumptions as you want. My main point is that I would not trust Icefrog for balancing a MMO.

Riot, on the other hand, would do a much better job.

I’ve stated some reasons why I do not trust Icefrog to balance a MMO and why I think Riot is better.

I understand that you’re probably a DotA fanboy and you may have been upset with the way I presented my points. Please focus on attacking my argument and not making assumptions about me ^o.o^

[Jiyuu]

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[Fuwaro]

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[Stormrider]

While DotA definitely has interesting mechanics and depth, it doesn’t work for a MMO because most of the abilities and items are just too strong.

Well obviously, Dota is not a MMORPG so the abilities and items work perfectly fine in their own MOBA environment. No one said anything about importing the items and abilities over to ToS so no need to bring it up. What is certain from my point of view, is that they would do a 100% better balancing act than what we currently have to work with, based on their experience and track record.

No need for me to respond to your other points. They’re just opinions after all and we’d needlessly be at it all day. I will quote just 1 last thing though.

DotA is fun. DotA has more depth

Some key ingredients there that we should be looking for in a game. So it looks like we can agree that regardless of whether the Dota team will do a perfect balancing act, the experience is going to be fun with plenty of depth to reward skilled players. I long for the day I can say that about TBL.

TBH I don’t care if it was Riot games either. Both Dota and LoL have the numbers to match ToS when it comes to classes so they’re used to working with a huge roster. Both games do a great job maintaining balance, many years of entertaining a huge player base will tell you that.

[xinronyr]

What is certain from my point of view, is that they would do a 100% better balancing act than what we currently have to work with, based on their experience and track record.

To be honest, the Wakfu team could possibly do better balancing than IMC… but I definitely would not trust ToS in the hands of Ankama given how Ankama also shows favoritism towards their French community, have bad management and have even worse ideas about drop-rates than IMC does for dungeons.

On the other hand, you can do dungeons an infinity amount of times in Wakfu, but you spend nearly 1-2 hours in each dungeon just to get nothing most of the time, and the grind is even more mundane than ToS since you get exp after the entire battle resolves vs per monster killed.

So I agree that many companies can do a better job than IMC when it comes to balancing, but let’s be smart about our choices here.

No one said anything about importing the items and abilities over to ToS so no need to bring it up. What is certain from my point of view, is that they would do a 100% better balancing act than what we currently have to work with, based on their experience and track record.

How do you think Icefrog would balance ToS, exactly? What choices do you think he would make for a MMO?

[artooc3po]

but let’s be smart about our choices here.

This is the ToS forum community, it’s an exception to see that.

Hue Hue Hue Hue

[Oriceles]

I feel like LoL is an extremely good and balanced MMO

oh boy, you are talking about a moba.

[xinronyr]

oh boy, you are talking about a moba.

Good catch! i will edit that. Thank you :3

[kinyau87]

You can make as many incorrect assumptions as you want. My main point is that I would not trust Icefrog for balancing a MMO.

Riot, on the other hand, would do a much better job.

I’ve stated some reasons why I do not trust Icefrog to balance a MMO and why I think Riot is better.

I understand that you’re probably a DotA fanboy and you may have been upset with the way I presented my points. Please focus on attacking my argument and not making assumptions about me ^o.o^

why? after attacking u, do i get cookie?

i get it, you like LOL, but will u accept i haukinyau prefer dota2 more than ur lol?

its your thread anyway~
i just merely stating dota2 team for balancing TOS, you prefer Lol team.
why does it matter anyway coz its not going to happen.

But, if you really want a good point why Dota2 is better than LoL, try getting yourself a full team 5v5 and go for a league battle for 64games, or play the leaderboard, play it competitively.
It takes more than just what you said to win a 5v5 serious match.

You dont know-it-all in dota just by playing solo.

Also, im not saying LoL is bad either, so why the butthurt.

i just personally prefer dota over lol. Is there anything wrong liking dota?

Dont you yourself a fanboy for lol ? i can accept that.

Each to their own liking.

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oh, you also take existing mechanics in Dota vs existing mechanics in Lol.

well, Dota and Lol might look similar, but essentially its built for different audience/market.

i trust dota to make TOS interesting, coz they know how to entertain few mil player and have million dollar prize tournament, but does that mean dota just copy paste their skill to TOS?

why you so insist in believe dota wont do scaling in TOS , just because Lol has it already? lulz

[DanRlz]

ea games plox …

[GitGud]

Also the most plagiaristic company

[sttr413]

Katauri Interactive :sad joke:

[melonikkx]

BLAMING NERFS bec he sucks in game and cant raise mmr

[blackholemaster]

Definitely Digital Extremes.
Maybe Valve.

[melonikkx]

KEK league is the most played. stop overstating the game. please a bullet between your eyes by your own hands

[SyntacticSyntax]

yeah right let a company which only has a one game produced and not even in the same genre as ToS. They are sure good when it comes to their service since they only have 1 game to focus on.

Options:
Valve (HATS++++++++++)
Blizzard
Nexon
EA (last resort)

[Stormrider]

EA would release some pay2win ultimate team BS. They would also remove F2P and release a new ToS every time they add new ranks, charging you full price each time.

[Kuromuko]

Excrulon Interprise.

[a2emoticon]

If Riot take this game, I’m very sure they will nerf all class for balancing…
If Icefrog, ToS will become weirder and weirder, but we can expect day-night system in ToS and better game engine (ToS Reborn ?)

[yashasenku]

Aeria Games certainly!