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What are my options ? - PvP (not cata)

I wan’t some opinions on what might be viable/best for rank 8 non mounted PvP builds, since we have our buffs now and have some idea of rank 8 I think its safe to go other ways for pvp.

My thoughts:

Swordsman 3: Everything on swordsman was buffed, now it might be “ok” for pve also.

Fencer 3: The best option for damage IF you can get crits, with the new skill that lowers enemy crit resist this build might be viable against high con enemys.

  • Routes: swd 3 > x (pelt / high) > corsair VS swd 3 > rod 2

Dopple 3: I liked what I saw on the release for doppel 3, alot of multi-hits (great with concentrate) on both zucken and redel, lvl 15 cyclone is insane for both defense and damage, and you don’t need to go high dex like Fencer3.

  • Routes: swd 3 > x (pelt / barb) > corsair VS swd3 > rod2 VS high3 > corsair

I know rodelero 3 is very good now and murmilo might enhance that but I don’t feel like going murmillo.

So my priorites for this build: Battleleague > GvG > Duels > PvE( grinding ). based on that, what do you think would perform better ?

Thanks alot, sorry for the text.

I’m in the same point like you, i want to PvP focus but I’m looking for other builds and not the current meta of cata.

After researching and reading a great amount of post i think that probably the best way for a non mounted PvP class considering the next rank, its something like swordman c3 / peltasta c1 / corsair c2/ shinobi and corsair c3 or fencer c1 for rank 8, thats because :

-Swordman c3 is giving to you the best way for stun ( i know that PD counter it but 40% during 60 seconds is great) and also a great source of cc resistance with pain barrier ( more with the 20% increase in PvP of the new patch). Also in my opinion you don’t have to mutch good options in these ranks, atleast with a swordman.

-Peltasta c1 is the best way to have a huge boost in evasion and HP and because you will use always 2 weapons, you wont have problems with keeping the buff active. Other option is picking barbarian c1 for stuns and slash debuff, but since we have enough stun from restraint (and its countered with PD) and we don have to mutch sources of slash damage, i think its better to take peltasta to avoid the burst from the enemy.

-Corsair c2 : This grants you hexen dropper, and double weapon assault, good tools to have use of your restraint and burst the enemy. Also corsair will grant you some cc tools like iron hook and Dust Devil ( tomorrow with 1 more charge).

-Shinobi : I know that it has a lot of buggs, but they are buggs and they will be solved. Shinobi is the best way to join all the things you have in the other ranks, and use ur burst with bunshin and kunai. Also it will grant you stealth, a great tool in pvp (atleast in all mmorpgs is an amazing tool designed for that) , and you will be able to evade some damage with mokuton. In other words, shinobi makes you a glass canon ( with bunshin active you receive x5 damage), but it also is allowing you tu survive if you use your skills correctly, that, combined with some weapon swap with a shield, you will be able to survive in really dangerous situations after killing your first target.

After saying this , i must say that my concern is in the next ranks, not just rank 8, we know what we are going to receive in rank 8, but not in the others, and just knowing that I can say that we don’t have a lot of options with our builds, they are limiting us with the weapons and mount based previous ranks.
I think that in rank 8 our best options are corsair c3, that must be improved, or fencer c 1, that second option , in my opinion will make us to pick it in the next ranks to avoid a rainbow build without high level skills, making our hability kit less solid.
So for ranks 8,9 and 10 i’m considering going fencer c3 or corsair c3/fencer c1/ fencer c2. Atleast with the current information.

Finally, i’m considereing a high dex build due the amount of hits that this build can give to us, i think its better focus it in critical, but due the increase of str in swordmans ( 30% more on tomorow’s patch) i discard the full dex build, so i’m talking about 1 STR / 1CON / 2DEX.

I will apreciate all information, shared in this topic, and also every concern about my proposed build, i haven’t experienced with many swordman clases and i know that i can have huge mistakes, that’s just theorycraft.

Edit: After some more research, i can say that IMO probably with the next patch, taking barbarian c2 over swordman c2 and c3 its better. It provides better options of burst and masive cc with helm chopper and seism in team battle league (their cc skils are aoe), and the cd will be less than now. The problem is that you will be more weak to cc, but you are just loosing 9 seconds of pain barrier.

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Tbh only 1 change is required for foot soldier to compete, making bind work for the full duration not just 1 hit.

This would make hoplite c3, shinobi, and highlander competitive.

But currently i dont think foot soldier can.

I think 1v1 any PVP sword build is viable.

In group PVP scenarios though, mobility and being able to do damage or perform support from a distance is very important.

Besides Cata3, other builds that could work would be ones that allow you to quickly move from one point to another, instantly close in to a target, or perform skills while moving.

Right now I’m leaning towards swd 3 > rod 2 > fencer 3 you got great CC and survival (evasion/slitherring) and fencer will provide the damage, but it is a selfish build that might not work at all for GvG.
Going pelt and corsair would give me some support, but it also fails in larger groups.
In the other hand dopple could work very well, you would be able to resist status for a long time with lvl 15 cyclone / slitherring + pain barrier and still do heavy damage.

@Genryugan About your build, I would suggest taking hoplite 2 over swd3, using swordsman skills with bunshins are very unreliable, hop2 lets you hit much harder with kunai/hexen dropper. Shinobi will give you better ways to engage with iron hook so loosing CC (not taking swd3) is not a problem, also stealth means more ways to escape so it balances out lower lvl pain barrier.

I have look this build before and yes, you gain more burst with hop 2, but in high ranks, you don’t have good options for using spear-dagger, maybe dragoon or doppel c1 .

I think your build is great, but not knowing the incoming rank 8, i think that with this rank, if we have a build based in wearing two weapons our only option is taking fencer, maybe doppel c1 for cylone and DoV or Dragoon, but after picking that, if you want to stick on it in the next ranks, they are limitating you to a 2 handed weapon, atleast doppel, and dragoon seems to go in the same way.

That’s why i think that, yes, swordman c3 isn’t good ( i realized that comparing more classes and their tools in pvp), but i found barbarian c2 more usefull than hoplite c2.
Barbarian c2 wont be limitating your weapons, and it will grant you good AoE cc skills with overheat and more slash damage from cleave’s new debuff.
Also , taking high ranks in fencer in next ranks (8,9 and 10) will give us tools for pierce damage, good burst and some skills that allow us to survive more in the battlefield and also are atacks.