Well… that’s kinda true. Also true for PvP at almost any lvl - Swordsmen can’t even gapclose most of the time.
Still, I’m gonna stick to my Hoplite-Corsair (~220) and hope for the best. Once c8-c9 are out, will see about making a ranged PvP support out of my char.
Highest lvl video is about lvl 200 char killing a boss.
ATM I’m 220 and I kill some bosses with Spear Lunge -> 2 Hexen Droppers -> Stabbing. Not because I’m good, but because bosses are pussies.
So should i watch him kill bosses at level 180 and admire his skill or there’s somewhere storage/alemeth/evacuation grind highlights?
Actually i don’t want to see any sw in my party beside Pel and Corsair (while grinding)
compare the dmg and relate it.
he made it to 280 by grind? I dont think so
Relate to what? Melting bosses != melting packs.You want to level to 280 by doing 3 missions a day after 240?
As a level 250 cryo/chrono supporter:
In mission/world boss i prefer dps Archer.
In grinding/dungeons i prefer dps Wiz.
Everyone love Cleric.
Sorry swordies, you are not needed if you are not a Peltasta~.
everyone love cleric 2+. That’s a major point 
It’s not the weakest in PvE, it’s just that it’s a much harder class to build correctly. There’s also very little info people know about skill interactions.
For example, I had a full STR hoplite. Spear throw with a geras spear hit around 8k on a 0s CD uptil level 250 (after which I reset for Earth Tower).
With a falconer using circling, that 8k spear throw went to 20k on a 0s CD, and I even did top DPS on certain world bosses.
Ofcourse, I still believe swordsman needs more buffs in general since its really specific builds/stats that work.
i think, we need more bleeds. just bleeding all over the place.
Alot of people’s post here doesn’t make logical sense.
First they talk about a level they never reached.
Then they talk about something not relevant to the topic.
Then they just proceed to contradict themselves.
Anyway… Yea, I think swordman need help at end game. If all the mobs were large size, then at least 2H spear (triple hit on large) might be able to do something (not really). However, medium size is the norm.
An overall mechanic change is needed.
Number of hits and AoE ratio on skill.
How AoE ratio from gear apply to skills.
How stat increase damage of skills.
How def is calculated.
Need at least 2 of above to change before swordman can be mentioned.
what’s this topic is all about? late game dmg? survivalbility?
track your mind damn it, and use your brain to think. I’m out.
lol
/Postmustbeatleast20characterslong
i wish all those barbarians learn that all a wizard asks for is a tank that can swashbuckle. not an AA, no CC swordie that needs heal every second.
You are trying to compare a caterpillar with a butterfly.
They have different times to shine.
Doppel is tier 1 in Earth Tower in Korea so how are swordsman weak?
You just ask for an AFK C-blocked then. What’s fun in tanking, is to block in the good timing, and try to bring a lot of cc / damage without loosing too much hp, not holding C during a whole fight.
If tanks don’t need heal, who does ? You ? You’re not supposed to take damage more than an HP pot can bring you back. Most AoE can be dodged by ranged DD.
Anyway, wizards aren’t concerned by healing tank 
More than it, i think you miss understood the point of swashbuckle. It’s a pull tool, not a “keeping aggro on me tool”. It doesn’t make swordy tank anything except the first second, till someone do more damage You know how threat works in that game ? There’s a passiv in swordman tree, it’s about the number of attack the ennemy does to you So basicly, if you’re having trouble because your tank isn’t keeping threat, you just don’t wait the few seconds needed to make him the prior target.
I’m playing barbarian and wizard by the way.
have you ever sent this to urgency email? instead of just ranting here that might not even get read by teh iToS team
Swordsmen can’t even gap close? Say that to us cata 3… Lol we’re the best gap closers in game…
yeah, i was talking about footmen. cata is great, hands down.