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WARNING: Swordsman is the weakest class beyond 227+

Class and Rank
#1

I know some of you hold this class up in your high standards, some of you consider it a tank only. Some of you look at Korean videos of Shinobis shredding bosses. I know about all the classes of Swordsman.

However what you guys are going to realize after getting your rank 7, be it Dragoon, Doppel C2, Shinobi or whatever it may be:

You will be inferior to every other class

Your damage will be worse than an archers, a clerics and even your best single target damage abilities will be outdamaged by wizard spells that hit 15 monsters at a time.

  • You have no crowd control, only taunt.

  • You melt down to monsters just the same.

  • No one will want you in groups over an archer / wizard.

  • IMC keeps nerfing Swordsman on iTOS for no reason still.

A wizard can pump his con with half of his stats and STILL be more powerful in terms of damage than you thanks to how Arde Daggers work and how often their magics tick per cast.

There is a big, biiii__________iiig gap between swordsmen and archers in term of damage. Come your rank 7, you will struggle to mob even 2 monsters at a time while any archer can just wipe out maps solo with no effort holding down auto attack.

You have been warned!

Shower me with your hate and tell me how good your 250 CON templar is! I’m ready for it!

Why are swordsmen so weak then?

It has all to do with scaling. Most damage swordsmen have are 1 or 2 hits, or at best a stabbing animation that takes 6 seconds to complete and hits only a few times. Wizard gets a spell that hits 25 times. Give a swordsman a 600 physical weapon and he just got 600 more damage or 1200. Give the wizard a 600 magical attack rod and he just gained 600x25 = 15000 more damage.

Archers auto attack and skills all tick for an insane amount. They can place their spells and RUN while out DPSing you. You have to stand next to bosses and monsters 24/7 and you will simply melt away.

It has all to do with how badly IMC screwed up balance. I don’t think there ever will be balance except maybe a year from now.

All I know is it’s time to either reroll or quit.

#2

what a joke of this post
please watch Cathexis youtube video.

#3

Time to reroll
/20chars

#4

Which one ? (Seriously interested)

#5

at least u need templars, so u have that going which is good.

blame the meta

#6

effect is almost unnoticeable.

#7

There you go
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOO2DMqaEZ28IPDNYdSXtag
@Cathexis

#8

Well… that’s kinda true. Also true for PvP at almost any lvl - Swordsmen can’t even gapclose most of the time.

Still, I’m gonna stick to my Hoplite-Corsair (~220) and hope for the best. Once c8-c9 are out, will see about making a ranged PvP support out of my char.

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#9

Highest lvl video is about lvl 200 char killing a boss.
ATM I’m 220 and I kill some bosses with Spear Lunge -> 2 Hexen Droppers -> Stabbing. Not because I’m good, but because bosses are pussies.

#10

So should i watch him kill bosses at level 180 and admire his skill or there’s somewhere storage/alemeth/evacuation grind highlights?

#11

Actually i don’t want to see any sw in my party beside Pel and Corsair (while grinding)

#12

compare the dmg and relate it.
he made it to 280 by grind? I dont think so

#13

Relate to what? Melting bosses != melting packs.You want to level to 280 by doing 3 missions a day after 240?

#14

As a level 250 cryo/chrono supporter:
In mission/world boss i prefer dps Archer.
In grinding/dungeons i prefer dps Wiz.
Everyone love Cleric.

Sorry swordies, you are not needed if you are not a Peltasta~.

#15

everyone love cleric 2+. That’s a major point :smiley:

#16

It’s not the weakest in PvE, it’s just that it’s a much harder class to build correctly. There’s also very little info people know about skill interactions.

For example, I had a full STR hoplite. Spear throw with a geras spear hit around 8k on a 0s CD uptil level 250 (after which I reset for Earth Tower).

With a falconer using circling, that 8k spear throw went to 20k on a 0s CD, and I even did top DPS on certain world bosses.

Ofcourse, I still believe swordsman needs more buffs in general since its really specific builds/stats that work.

#17

i think, we need more bleeds. just bleeding all over the place.

#18

Alot of people’s post here doesn’t make logical sense.

First they talk about a level they never reached.

Then they talk about something not relevant to the topic.

Then they just proceed to contradict themselves.

Anyway… Yea, I think swordman need help at end game. If all the mobs were large size, then at least 2H spear (triple hit on large) might be able to do something (not really). However, medium size is the norm.

An overall mechanic change is needed.
Number of hits and AoE ratio on skill.
How AoE ratio from gear apply to skills.
How stat increase damage of skills.
How def is calculated.
Need at least 2 of above to change before swordman can be mentioned.

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#19

what’s this topic is all about? late game dmg? survivalbility?
track your mind damn it, and use your brain to think. I’m out.

#20

lol
/Postmustbeatleast20characterslong