Stone curse is not a good skill (small area to focus target)… maybe usefull to pvp, but in a pvp build with element ( full dps class = no protection to pvp) without sage (mostly for blink / magic & missile shield) is not a smart decision 
Honestly it was predictable, damage skills pretty consistently fall off after 2-3 ranks and warlock has 0 synergy with the rest of the build (aoe vs single). Also, warlock were always going to be tuned for linker builds, all but guaranteeing that it would be underwhelming for any non-linker. There’s RC, but it’s not that attractive for a non-cryo.
That said, the build is hardly dead although I think Sage is almost a must-pick for elememe. Yes sage damage is underwhelming in comparison to wiz @ R7, but that’s because it’s a dps/support hybrid class. The team damage potential for Ultimate Dimension is quite high and Missile Hole is extremely useful for both PvE and PvP. I suspect you can duplicate invocation spirits (maybe even DT) since you can duplicate bats, but I haven’t seen a video of this yet. Basically, there’s plenty to be gained by going Sage just not a lot of direct damage input.
The build is being forced to add some support to it’s DPS, just like every other Wiz DPS build out there. I think it’s a healthy choice by IMC. If we had gotten a pure aoe dps class at R8, elememe would continue to be the only competitive endgame dps wizard build.
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Honestly, it’s not just elementalist - it’s basically any magic class.
They started throwing exaggerated damage multipliers for just about every damage type except magic: Barb1 (50% slash), Rode3 (200% strike), Murmillo (50% strike), Dragoon2 (100% melee), Doppel3 (50% slash), Fencer3 (+100~160% crit damage), Taoist (50% melee), Musk2 (100% physical or missile, not sure which one yet), Lethargy (100% strike), Monk (50%? Strike), Falconer (75% chance for physical attacks to hit twice).
Meanwhile magic has quickcast and can’t crit. You’re still gonna be able to kill mobs fine if you have a linker, but you can pretty much forget about ever ranking on world bosses if things stay as they are - you already couldn’t come close to Fletchers before and now there’s at least 3 classes above that and with the right setup, many more on its level.
i actully atm have the standar meteor lel, but lets be real, at rank 8 it’s gonna be super dog ■■■■…
So might aswell go for utillity skill, in fact the reality is hail is gonna be good but only for the freezing and electrocute… well unusable.
We must face it when the patch hits the only last good skill on all the elemental tree is gonna be frost cloud, so might aswell go for utility.
Yes Elementalist is the new Pyro. But let’s not forget Elementalist is garbage without C3 so Warlock can also be super beast at C3. Pole Agony alone at lv 15 is pretty beast if you look at the numbers. But the only problem with Warlock is that all the damage spells have small AoE and casts at melee range. I always knew Elementalist would fall off as more ranks are introduced. One of the reasons why I have 4 wizards with completely different builds at rank 6 or above and making new again. That’s not counting archer and clerics I have as well. This game since there is no class reset there is no such thing as future proof meta build. This game it’s so important to play the build you like and not what’s the meta.
Yeah the power creep was… way over what i expected.
I mean i am glad that the game shows love to meele class. But overall the power creep is a bit too much, because the mob are made on that power creep. So yeah i was expecting elememe to fall but not that hard, and not so quick…
The sad reallity for damage oriented mages is that there will be only ONE option and a slight variation of that option:
wiz3 > link3 > wl2
wiz3 > link2 > necro3
it’s the only ones all the rest are utility base build either cc or buff (and please dont say featherfoot because BRUH). I mean utility is good, but come on we have only ONE option for dps…
the new pyro… darn that his hard, but kinda true
as for pole of agonie :
Lets do some easy math here:
Pole of Agony hits 3 times per second
Pole of Agony Lv1. hits 36 times (with Duration attribute)
= (Char.Atk + 586) x 36
Pole of Agony Lv.10 hits 63 times (with Duration attribute)
= (Char.Atk + 1864) x 63
so max pole gives 117432 damage on a 2min cd and the most shitty aoe size in this galaxie, thank god maintain exist for that skill…
Mastema with attribute hits once, then hits 12 times but weaker (looks like 60% of initial damage)
So if those 12 hits are only dealing 60%, then they’d be equal to 7.2 full hits.
And then we add the initial hit: we get an 8.2 multiplier
Level 2 Mastema
= (Char.Atk + 1335) x 8.2
Level 10 Mastema
= (Char.Atk + 3279) x 8.2
Max matesma gives 26888 with a 37cd decent aoe size and the new debuff. Plus it’s actully not a ground skill so you dont care if the mob stays in the aoe or stuff (very nice for boss, freaking golem rolling out of frost cloud).
So now if we compare dps on the skillz
120/37 = 3.2
26888*3.2 = 86041
117432-86041 = 31391
So you gain 31391 damage by maxing pole over matesma.
Now lets analyse this, in pure terme of dps, the way you can see it is:
31391/26888 = 1.1
Now the way i see it is… pole is a super bad skill… like really, the only good use for pole is either you have linker, or you use it for bosses. Because in farming session the aoe sucks so much it’s unusable.
I personnaly think as an elememe i am gonna ditch pole for matesma.
Necro > Sage gives you more damage than Warlock 2 as an Ele 3.
As a class that does not use Linker, even Flame Ground or Summoning can outdps Mastema to be honest.
Wiz 3 > Linker 1 > Sorc 2 > Warlock 2 perhaps?
Linker 1 is enough considering you have Divine Might on any Cleric 2 you find (or Dandel Gem if you want to Solo this game).
just curios any other possible class viable after wiz3link2/3 aside from warlock and FF?
I know the common would be wiz3link3wl2 or wiz3link2necro3 but may be wiz3link2sorc2sage or wiz3link2thauwl2?
You do realise that matesma has been reworked ? I garantee you it’s waaaaaaay better then flame ground
And sage, well from what i have seen sage dps is also a joke, realisticly you have 2 damaging spell, one is a one hit ■■■■, and the other is 4 hit ground with okay damage and long cd so no sage does not outdps a wl2.
Sage just gives utility, the duplicate is nice, and the aoe increase form what i have seen is meh.
The shield for projectiles is pretty good tho, even god tier in pvp, but i dgaf about pvp in this game, since it’s awfull. So in the end sage is just another utility circle.
sorc will give you the cat buff, and it’s very good, but out of that…
Temple shooter will get outscale so hard it’s gonna be useless, and well it’s the only other “good” skill (i have a sorc 2 so trust me on that).
I find thau weak, the buff it gives are all outscaled in the current game so imagine later… i think you are better off taking linker3
I actually agree that Linker3 with War2 can definitely outdamage Ele3 with War 2… Idk if I should continue my Elememe any more. If ever I’m rerolling a new wiz, I’d probably go for Kino3… You guys think it’ll still be a viable build when Rank8 comes?
Just curious
Won’t frost cloud still remain good? I mean jp + mm combo can only do that well against the number of mobs that can be linked. If we were to talk about hoards of mobs won’t front cloud still be better since it can hit more mobs? Or am I missing out on something
Frost cloud will not instsntly kill a group of mobs with 300k hp. After casting frost cloud elementalist is in for a downtime and would not have the tools to deal with the remaining mobs. While JP > HK > MM can easily kill those. Target is limited to the JP level though which can be a disadvantage.
This is correct. Wiz3>linker paths do not excel in swarm scenarios in the same way that elementalist does. Whether Frost Cloud remains practical through rank 8 is yet to be seen however. I feel it isn’t very futureproof.
I’m seeing frost cloud that deals 13k per tick… Isn’t that viable on a 300k hp mob?
I’m guessing that is with a really good set of equips and over 80% attribute…
You mean this video right?
The player has lvl 100% Frost Cloud enchant and Pure INT (true pure int, 0 CON).
Yes, that. Also one from tosbase (public builds) guides says he deals around 13k a tick of FC as well. Mine can deal around 4k a tick with 100CON rest int and with only 30% attribute and no ups superior corona rod.
Anyhow, i’ll be rerolling to Kino for a more pvp oriented class… Still haven’t decide for my rank 7-8 classes.
I’ll be going wiz3, is that OK?
Yes and also he has max chapparition card if you look at the video, every 30sec he pops a pot and gets 50% increase magic damage.
So it litteraly does not gat any better, but to achieve that point lets be honnest…
100 forst cloud lel
5 chap card + int i guess lel
full int no con lel
mkay
Yeah, bloody damn hard and expensive.