Unless you’re aiming a high dex archer, average dex should be enough to allow you to hit most people. You won’t crit wiz, clerics and the sort and you don’t need high dex to hit them – you just need block pen. More str than dex is beneficial to swordsman in pvp.
How much accuracy is needed then to constantly hit high evasion archer? Kimeleech card can fix block penetration though. Youre right since high evasion archers and fencers are only extreme cases. I have 700 accuracy using vubbee glove as full dex and still missing quite a lot vs archers and fencers.
I don’t know. Catas and Doppels can Restrain them even missing and I’m a Iron Hook guy myself (Corsair c2) so I focus on hooking people so my team mates kill every one. I don’t bother with damage at all (although I can kill squishies some times).
Fencers are rare in TBL (in Silute, at least they are) and the ones I met weren’t a threat. Whenever I meet someone I miss often, I simply ignore them. While I hook people, I usually hold C, so even if I fail at dodging, I block almost all attacks. I don’t have a Sissel (I wear 2 Glass bracelets for the block pen) so I don’t know if it would help against them.
with 700, u shouldnt be missing that much, maybe at most miss 40%
i have only around 430ish inside TBL, and I dont miss them enough to not kill them.
I cant TBL because im accompanying my GF most of the time since at the start, but i tried a couple of times. I always duel people both archers and Swordsman to test the build. Im missing 70% most of the time vs fencers and high dex archers. They have 1.3k+ evasion, all of them are using shades. Same goes to them missing to me 70% of the time. 1.3k+ evasion seems a rarity in TBL? or like I said extreme cases. Basically if high dex can still miss what more for hybrid build and high str path. There is no card that can raise accuracy aside from ellaganos. Block penetration card is already existing.
A perfect offensive char should have 1.2k+ accuracy + 800 Block penetration. Dragoon cant do that, to me Lancers can do.
I just checked and I have 476 accuracy. Anyway, low dex catas are still a problem simply because Rush can stun, Restrain gives a stun (brief but enough to cancel your skills) and a long time slow even on misses and block pen mastery makes your C block almost useless. Whenever a Cata Rushes me, I stand there holding C and hope someone will CC him. If he Rushes a team mate (usually they go for Wiz), I hook him. Catagoons hurt you bad. Bad enough to kill me with a Rush + Serpentine/Dragon Tooth combo even with a lot of misses and C block (I have around 21k HP in TBL).
TBL is different from duels. And I play 5x5 only because I like being a disabler rather than a damage dealer. I focus on CC.
I also have 21k HP as full dex and you know, you need at least 30k life to at least survive more often. I dont think dragoon can kill you if you have 1.2k evasion + using guard. I already tested that against pelts, you needed good penetration to at least damage them. The dragoon you fought with probably an STR variance, its not good idea to guard against them. You need evasion for defensive against those people. How much evasion do you have anyway. The formula is against DEX use guard, against STR you pump dodge. STR will die against dodge chars.
700 accuracy vs 1300 evasion shouldnt be 70% missing.
either u exaggerated or something else at play.
regardless, i only need to hit full evasion archer 3~4 times with rush to kill them. Rush got 30 hits. (the bigger problem is broadhead arrow got higher dps than rush =/ 30k hp not enough some times)
but honestly, i never cared about the full dex build. wiz are the real problem. i hope lancer really change this. From all the video though, it seem all lancer did was bring swordman from loser to near equal ground, but still not a true wiz killer. I dont think any swordman can be true wiz killer unless they can resist magnetic force, swap, subzero shield by themselves.
(holy god, every time i get magnetic force half screen away, i want to punch a kitten)
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You can try to duel against 1.2k+ evasion chars, its not hard to find them because of evasion boost from items now both should have PVP builds and fighiting seriously. Rush shouldnt be working against scout, youll rely more on EW, DP and dragoon skills if youre dragoon. So relying on rush alone is not a good idea. You probably referring to fletchers in PVP without a scout class. Impale is a known counter against rush too, a cata vs cata scenario will try to impale each other when being rush. Mokuton no Jutsu, Guard, helm chopper slithering can counter rush without worries.
TBL should be anytime of the day so more people will join at their most convenient time.
Edit: if you cannt find a char with 1.2k+ evasion with PVP build you can test mine if youre in Tels. teamname is Elesis.
Dragoon c2 is your wizard killer.
2X Dethrone burst from outside his screen
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u got a video of it?
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I’ve linked it above already but here it is:
with you sounding so sure, i was expecting a video of an actual match against wiz…
Dude, there’s tons of Dragoon c2 vids on youtube, go look for it yourself.
Everyone knows how strong Dragoon c2 is already
Everyone here knows about DGoon C2 direct damage capability. This is a Lancer thread.
GvG and large scale PvP is not about direct damage only. Also, not everyone wants to have the hardest hitting toon. Some want the utility that the Lancer brings, it might even help damage dealing classes such as the Dgoon in getting their kills.
I am looking forward to both R8 classes actually. I have two toons waiting for an upgrade.
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Dragoons’s Dethrone can outrange Lancer’s Unhorsing (or “Spill attack”), Lancer’s skill with longest range, by about half a screen. Lancers can’t even get close enough to knock Dragoons off the mount before Dethrone can kill him.
Killing > Utility. You can have as much utility as you want but it’s useless when you’re dead.
GvG is not a 1 on 1 match. You are comparing the two classes as if they exist in a vacuum.
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i have seen every video on dragoon2 pvp on this forum as far as i know. (and a bunch of other r8 class too)
but none of them actually fight a wiz.
u sound so sure, so i thought u could easily point one out.
(lol in searching for more video, saw a cannoneer 1 shot a dragoon1 for 29k dmg, doesn’t even have to aim)
Anyone who has played high rank 5v5 TBL matches will know that while having burst is beneficial, it should be used with caution as it will either be just wasted (ausrine, revive, macka) or you’ll kill yourself (r7f). If the enemy team has no cleric, maybe dethrone’s gonna wreck them.
I wouldn’t underestimate Lancer. Joust alone is very beneficial, especially against teams who tend to zone/turtle. Then there’s the silence debuff too.