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Valia vs Catacombs Club

We’re talking chaplain here. Chaplain is AA only in the current meta so yes it will make a difference.

Quick comparison with cafri set+sacra+last rites+asp

Maga Rod+0
0patk + 340earth + 194x1.5= 631
Maga Rod+10
0patk + 340earth + 314x1.5= 811

Catacombs+0
228.5+303x1.5=683
Catacombs+10
348.5+303x1.5=803

Not sure how much Magas Rod costs but depending on situation (def/element) catacombs is atleast on equal terms for an AA build.
Catacombs also has 1aoe atk ratio, slighty more hp and no lose to SP.

You wont use Cafrisun much (only against magic mobs) at higher levels, so it shouldnt be a fixed part of calculations.
With one less hit, that would decrease Maga Rods gain over Catacombs Club.

That said, you are calculating things weird. Ah, you are assuming type bonus damage?

Let’s assume 5 hits.

Maga Rod = 194 + 68x5 = 194+340 = 534 damage added.
Catacombs Club = 230 (avg) + 303 = 533 damage added.

That’s without any upgrades done

Those were my initial findings as well. That means assuming an equal cost, the rod is the better option if you build magic damage besides chaplain, for example Druid or PD.

Altho I now realised I should of done more calculations based on my finding on my Wizard’s rod using, hmm.

About 4m less then the Club. So 2.5m in value It depends, prices might go a million higher since it’s recipe suffers from [market maximum limit], which would make it 3.5m, still 3m less then a Catacombs Club, 2m less on a good day.

Because of that I would advise Maga Rod to any Chaplain over a Catacombs Club.

It’s initial stats are very appealing, but its extreme market price makes it less worth to have. [quote=“HowYouSoGudd, post:21, topic:234332”]
Catacombs also has 1aoe atk ratio, slighty more hp and no lose to SP.
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That’s true, but I found Aoe atk ratio to be lacking for a Cleric class.
The only time it helps is against large monsters, or in places with high density monster spawns…which are few and far apart in the game, alas.

Seems there was no need, Rods work differently for wizards.

Sorry i forgot to mention, i added in a 50% asperium enhance in my calculations.
On second that i may need to rethink that, I was assuming earth dmg would be added on after asp enhance but it could be enhanced aswell. That would add 34 more dmg in favour of Magas Rod.

And i do agree about the cafrisun set, i was only adding it in since it favours Magas Rod.
And this was an interesting conversion. I’ve completely overlooked Magas Rod but it seems to be just as good as catacombs. Personally i’d still prefer catacombs though.

Anyways if your aim is pure DPS then Toy Hammer has that covered even with 0str investment.

Is it true? For a pure DPS will toy hammer be better even with 0 str? Anyone can confirm? using valia atm

Without a doubt its better then valia. Even better then Catacombs
Quick Comparison for Chaplain with 50% asp enhance
With Cafri Set and +5 weapon
Valia
179patk+117matk x2 + 50 x 5 74x5 =
179+175.5+250+370=974.5
On Dark Enemy
179+350+400+200+370=1499 dmg per swing

Toy hammer
131patk+81matk+Explosion(400%patk)
At lvl120 Explosion dmg = (128+131)x4=1036
so 131patk+121.5+1036/2 =770.5
On Dark Enemy=
131+243+1036/2=892

Now keep in mind
A. I did that on a dark devil enemy adding 370dmg per swing
B. The explosion counts as an extra hit so gets bonuses from arde, blessing, headgears, etc.
Most people run lvl5 sacrament and lvl3 blessing so thats:
48holy, 171additional dmg and 153fire + whatever headgears you have.
(48x2+171+153)/2 =210 extra dmg on dark property.

So lets see, at lvl120
Non Dark/Devil = Toy hammer by significant margin (1306+headgears vs 604.5)
Dark type = toy hammer barely (1102+headgears vs 1129)
Devil type = Valia by slight margin (974.5 vs 932.5 + headgears)
Dark/Devil = Valia (1499 vs 1100+headgears)
But wait!! There’s more, this is only lvl120 with 0str investment, lets add another 50lvls on there and 50extra patk or 200extra dmg on explosion.
By 220 thats 400extra dmg (divided by 2)

Just a quick comparison to Catacombs club to finish things off.
287+303x1.5 =741.5
287+303x1.5x2 =1196

im playing a krivis3, krivis skills like zaibas scales with int, perhaps its useless for a krivis to get a catacombs club?