OR they could hire people who are fit to moderate instead of putting their forums in the hands of “volunteers”. I’m going to be honest, I simply don’t trust volunteer moderating positions. More often than not from what I’ve seen, duties were not fulfilled accordingly and biases can be strong.
The last thing we need on these forums is a power trip, but that’s just my opinion so I don’t mind if others disagree. There are many ways that a volunteer moderator may get away with things in their favor. I simply would rather not take that chance.
Moderating isn’t just a basic “do this” and “avoid that”. There are some gray areas in which professionalism is required.
I would much rather see competent staff members hired with enough experience to handle situations. I want someone who can be held accountable (volunteering doesn’t have a set-in-stone incentive like money does) to take the lead.
In truth, anyone can moderate. Whether they can do it professionally, however, is debatable.
Depends, if a volunteer mod is doing such things, they should be banned by IMC. If a normal member is, then they should be banned/warned by IMC, except a volunteer mod could bring it directly to their attention to do so.
I understand this requires IMC to care a little, but it works.
I agree with @strawberry , but it isn’t happening, and this is the next best thing.
Players would have to be monitored by the staff, especially at first, who were selected to assist with the situation on the forums. There’s just no getting around that. There has to be some sort of monitoring or it can easily be abused, just as you said.
And by the community as well. It’s not like someone could just lord over the forums unless they were given the tools to do so. I don’t think that players should have the same powers that the staff does by any means. Please, I encourage you to give suggestions instead of simply saying that you don’t like the idea. The entire point of this thread is to suggest some things to help fix this situation.
I am genuinely sad that players are so disappointed by the community and IMC. There’s no reason for things to have become so bad.
I would MUCH rather have more active presence on the forum by staff members hired by IMC. 100%. But like @FatePGN has said, it’s just not happening for whatever reason. As long as the volunteers were held accountable–if you moderate a thread you need to submit a report. If you were in game and silenced a player for example–you need to file a report as to when, why, ect.
The selection of players if this were to be implemented would have to be done very carefully as well.
i understand our point of view but to consider it jjust happen to we need it cause de service provided by imc for us is at least bad
for this system to work we would first need imc to keep a short eye on the forum and on every one and if this happen the system wouuld be useless just for show
the reason every one is disappointed and dropping is cause imc is almost telling us that doesnt care for the game
the players cant fill the hole left by imc even if they want it would just call for disaster
I agree with OP, feedbacks here in the forums is not constructive any more. We need someone to man the post, It’s geting out of hand.
Almost every day I always see threads that only discuss negativity of the game not providing suggestions how to improve or what could have been done to make it better.
This kinds of post drives players away from your game, if you trully love TOS like you guys say on your post you should start moderating the forums.
You should also reply on negative or good feedbacks from steam so that the new players will know that your working on the issue. Feedbacks from steam is also important since players view it first before downloading the game.
Example:
New player: Is this a good game to try?
A troll immediately post nope waste of time. The game is dying is not worth it.
We are down to
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Honestly, the only reason I’ve suggested this is I’m getting to a “how much worse could it be” attitude about the whole thing. What’s the worst someone could do? White knight? Then they should be removed from the program. Simple as that.
Yes, it does require participation from the staff/company. That’s part of the whole point of the suggestion. I genuinely appreciate your concerns on it and you have some very valid points.
Hum~ I’m not really for it. Because I’ve been in this role before and it was more troubles than anything, really. Because people are childish.
It’s like what Strawberry said.
I started as a basic moderator, but then I was kind of “promoted” to be the boss right under the official staff, and it was terrible.
Power trips, thinking they’re better than the others, scaring the community, unable to stay neutral, saying fake info they didn’t double check, and all this kind of crazy things.
To that you also add, at some point, fights between moderators. And then instead of focusing 100% of your moderating time to moderate correctly you have to deal with intern childish issues, and even the official staff ends up being dragged into it.
Even if people were tested before, and all, I don’t know, some people at some point would just suddenly turn into douches. It’s when the power hit their head, I guess.
Volunteers don’t have any training, and since it’s not an actual job they don’t truly care about being “fired” or anything.
I’m not totally against it, but in my opinion it’s too “dangerous” and could finish to destroy the forum.
They totally need to hire real professional staff though. It’s more than urgent.
I understand that you guys think it’s a need because we got nothing else better for now, and it’s sinking. But I’m just not sure. I’ve lost my trust in volunteers.
They’d need anyway some official staff to take care of those moderators, and I doubt they have the spare staff to do that.
While I do appreciate the thoughts that most of these responses have, I still stand by what I’ve said before. I think some extra hands are needed. Instead of saying why it doesn’t work, how about suggesting some additional measures instead? This is the suggestion forum.
I would love to see other ideas instead of just nos/negativity/bad ideas.
@Goldie I agree that I would like to see more active posting and moderation from the staff. It would be really nice. Right now I suppose that many of them are fairly busy with the server database merge stuff, that’s all I can think it could be. I’m hoping we get a fix for the event bug going around right now -_-; I’d like to actually be able to get the title at the end of it.
I fully support having community mods that come from the player base. The amount of people violating the ToS on the forums alone is beyond the scope that can be dealt with by a few people. However, I think it should be a decision made by the dev team, not players, due to the likely abuse a player poll would result in.
Side Note: Player moderators are fairly common in MMOs and I can’t stop myself from laughing at the peeps acting like it’s some bizarre notion that’s never been done before and ruins games.
Agreed.At least with a system like this we’d have official communication in easy to understand English,more frequent replies from mods/staff,and less rule breaking posts,which would likely result in higher morale.
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Not that they dun’t care…majority of them are not fluent in English and have no clue how to translate or let alone understand what we are writing…which is kinda of a joke tbh…
so i’m guessing that they assume the safest way to answer these queries are copy pasting answers XD…
I’ll prob ditch that idea …the rest are fine though.
I’d rather leave the in game stuff to them
Reasons
You will somehow be representing IMC regardless if ur a volunteer or not…and ppl might pressure you for answers with regards to this…as if the forums weren’t bad enough…seeing the latest bugs exploit…I’d rather not get into the heat of it…
POWER TRIPS…with that much power in your hands…one can succumb to such temptations…
.Same applies to in game events…i think u can figure this out XD like what Strawberry mentioned
[quote=“Strawberry, post:14, topic:314368”]The last thing we need on these forums is a power trip
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Time,effort and planning…without the $$$$…
Don’t forget about you require time and effort to plan and host in game events…and as a volunteer ur not gonna get paid too.You mostly gonna require to also submit those events prob to IMC probably to get their approval and the permission to host it…
I agree fully on this…
But that up to whether IMC wants to implement this system… and how they gonna pick a volunteer moderator / game sage.
So far i can only see them making bad decisions after bad decisions… so its hard to tell…
How they manage this…its all in their hands…this is coming from their concerned and die hard fans after all… the ball is their court. and its all up to them to decide
This… cause half the time im lmao with the replies tbh…
And he/she also acts as a representative of the forums where the mods can communicate with.This will optimize the time needed to go through the forums and also the translation time.
This will also ensure that issues regarding the game and players concerns can be collected and translated to the relevant team/department in their HQ so that a QnA can be drafted asap to answer to their community.
I won’t blame them… most of them troll to vent their frustration with regards to how the game is being managed and the direction where the game is heading…if there was a direction that is.
#Though there are some trolls…who troll for their own entertainment…and i gotta admit … i tend to sometimes cause it curbs my sadistic lust…
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Worst of all are the blind white knights… no seriously… WTF???
But lets face it… this game population is slowly deteriorating… i’ve been monitoring it myself and its a fact…
Hype is one thing… and a games population naturally goes down after people start to find that the game does not suit their taste… But after 3-5 months what it remains usually are the fans/players whom has taken an interest in it…
Take a look at the period in steam charts where they open their gates to new players… u’ll figure out your self. =p
There are to many flaws/bugs/exploits that needs to be addressed in this game…though thats up to IMC… but forum moderation is a must … and some of us (not me) are willing to take up the challenge.
But yes…your reasons still stands… we definitely need to moderate/(but not fully dictate) this type of threads as it impacts the views of newcomers.
Seriously?? Playing the race card?? Everyone is anon over here mate… no one knows ■■■■ until u reveal your race to them
#Pros:
Free labor?!? (Why fucking not)
Representative of the forum/game players
Assist the staff with moderating the forums…
Entertain the community (Whether its is just a friendly discussion or through forum event)
Assist the staff to address some issues brought up by the community
#Cons:
Power…Fcking…Abuse…(Cause why not)
Misleading the community …whether its intentional or not
XD Just a note… that part about in game duties and stuff is what I was refering to from Aeriagames. I think I point that out at some point, but a few people didn’t see it. I’ll go back and edit the post to make that a little more clear. @_@
Honestly, I would rather see more in-game mods (whether they are volunteers or not) than forum mods. At the end of the day, we play the game, not the forums
First of all… OP is talking about volunteer forum mods…
2nd of all… there is a need to moderate the forums… and with a volunteer to moderate the forums… they can concentrate more of their manpower into fixing the game rather then reading and answering everyones gdamm questions… regardless of copy pasting
