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Tree Of Plates (armor)

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#1

Plate’s high physical defense and cloth’s magical defense scales with transcend. While critical rate and accuracy from leather set is freaking 50 flat. No more evasion from boots but it evens out since theres no accuracy from gloves neither, though the evasion bonus from set is “insert curses” gone as well!. Anyone have an idea on what “attack-centric additions that make it stand out” on leather set they plant to add? it better be good.

Please don’t kill armor diversity.

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Plate Set

  • High DEF, that scales with transcend
  • 15%? Physical Damage mitigation
  • Bonus HP

Leather Set

  • 50 flat crit rate and accuracy?, doesn’t scale on lvl or transcend
  • Evasion gone with the wind~
  • attack-centric additions that make it stand out
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#2

Going from the values we have now:
Solmiki Leather Set gives a huge boost to critical rate in comparisonto Plate Sets.

From the ktest database we also got some numbers for the new lvl 315 Hunting Ground armors featuring those stats:

Cloth - Spr and SP
Leather - Dex and Critical Rate
Plate - Con and HP

Leather looks only good, if u are focusing on Critical Rate for Dmg values, every other build will definitly go Plate or Cloth.
Critical Rate will be a stat u only get from armor/trinkets/weapons - this means every point is important and high valued (IF u wanna be a critical build)

I also think Critical Rate and those stats shouldn´t scale with transcend!
In Leather we still get PDef and MDef enhanced with transcend (Just not that much PDef as plate gives and MDef as cloth gives)

#3

Step 1)
Create a filter here like this:
https://tos.neet.tv/items?group=Armor&ulvlmin=315&grade=3&f=1

Step 2)
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Change tos into tos-ktest

Step 3)
Realize that you first should inform yourself before doomposting crap. Cloth and Plate are basically SP/HP + Def only whereas Leather gives Dex + Critrate which is highly valueable right now. For example 17 Dex is 17 base levels now. That’s a lot.

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#4

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Realize that you first should inform yourself before doomposting crap. Cloth and Plate are basically SP/HP + Def only whereas Leather gives Dex + Critrate which is highly valueable right now. For example 17 Dex is 17 base levels now. That’s a lot.
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Seems you have simplistic mind judinge things by numbers from paper while not considering the reality on what type of armor “players actually invests in”, which is plate or cloth. In PVP perspective , the reality is that plate has always been favorable against leather and the future update will make it even worst. The only reason to invest on leather now is to maximize physical PVE DPS, it’s a dead armor for PVP.

Oh, 17 dex thats a value of 17 levels! facepalm

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#5

Not hoping for crit rate to scale, at least have the evasion bonus from leather set back.

#6

Con does not give crit res anymore, crit rate will become valueable in pvp too.

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#7

How can they kill it when we don’t have it currently.

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#8

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I have Cloth set for 8 out of my 9 characters. My only remaining plate-character is my Squire3, who’s AFK in town.

I guess they should give some unusual incentive for people to wear other armor types. Right now it just boils down to: "Do you need more P or M.Def? Can you afford to transcend to the extremes to forego investment on one or the other. Do you have Nuaele cards?

It’s been that way for a while now. :stuck_out_tongue:

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#9

Plot twist: Yours is even more simple because you don’t understand numbers and just flow by a meta created by sheeps.
First of all anything PVP is a joke here and end of line for PVP is always to get tanky as ■■■■ and stack damage for anything that can’t stay away from close combat which is wonder oh wondy mostly not possible here.
Archers for example can take a lot of advantage from the new dex = crit attack and critrate to reach safe critical chance values and then take people down with long range nukes. Not gonna happen because of crazy AoE ccs and ages of invulnerbility. PVP is trash here I wonder how there are people still running around not having realized that.

And for PVE you got it right. Leather is for increasing DPS! You actually found out what leather armor is supposed to do now by yourself - congratulation.

tl;dr
For trashgame pvp it will always be plate for more sustain.
Cloth, Plate and Leather have all uses in PVE now. The design actually is good.

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#10

I’m disappointedI won’t get my kinky magues sigh was truly looking forward some skin tight leather suit female pyromancers.

#11

Meta in physical tankiness is not Defense or HP anymore. It is block and Evasion now. Top players are abusing these(High trans boots), thats why it is mandatory to trans your gloves and has tons of block pen to be able to touch those players.

Thats why OP was saying if Evasion wont matter anymore then all it boils down is Defense and Magic defense. It killed the needs for accuracy and Evasion thus reducing the diversity of PVP into defenses only.

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#12

tried fullset leather virtov with 2str 1 dex archer.

the evasion sucks ass. doesnt make any significant difference from plate.

so just use back plate.

#13

I think that with the new damage formula, it will not be useful to invest so much in defense (plate armors) if you are intending to be a dps class. Because it scales with log (atk/def) as higher is your defense it will decrease your damage.

#14

Are they removing the 3/4 and 4/4 damage reduction?

#15

In the contrary, I flow against meta, my main is non-meta swordsman and I’m gearing non-meta leather, thus this post.

Self contradicted yourself.

Simple analogy for you paper warrior-kun, a design is good if each feature is used and works as it is, if a player stacks defense he should be tanky, and if a player stacks evasion, he should be evasive, if stacking evasion doesnt work, then the evasion design is broken.

Everyone will go stacking defense, which will soon be the case.

Glad to see someone who can understand my perspective.

#16

which leads to my previous statement

#17

Not in PvE.

Also learn to read or get some education whatever it is, when someone says B is good design then A can still be horrible. This is not a contradiction.
Welcome to logic.

I am out here, have fun spreading crap. :smiley:

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