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The road to a perfect legit +15 test

General Discussion
#22

You are right, 18 items is too short for a test. I might be testing more if i feel like it, not to test luck but to base it around how often you can get above +10.
The video was never meant to show anybody right or wrong but just a realistic reason to be skeptical about the fact what’s going on with all the high perfect upgraded items.

It’s on IMC to look in the logs what’s really going on… If it was me that had that +15 pefect GC legit, i wouldn’t worry because i know that i made it in a legit way.
Then again the brother from the other post is not very smart for making several +15 items in an era of all the exploits and expect to be not frown on…

#23

That makes no sense to be honest because witch hunt came from the past without any media. With the media we got now we even have the programs to prove ourselves to be not guilty with a recorder like Bandicam…
If you really don’t want to be n a shitty position right now and still choose to make high upgrades, why not record the attempts? you can download and install the recording program fast and it will save you from the doubt or perhaps even a potential ban

#24

I’m too distracted by that terrible game in his other videos D: dafuq is that

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#25

It’s an expression bro. Witch hunting is still alive and well. In some places in the world, literal witch hunting is still a thing.

“Well why didn’t you just record yourself every time you enhanced a weapon” is a dumb argument, and it just further reinforces this guilty until proven innocent bullshit. If you don’t have evidence someone is exploiting, guess what? They don’t have to prove ■■■■.

#26

Please read what i said again because you say the same thing but in other words, maybe my English is not clear enough for you.
Of course you don’t have to prove anyone right here on the forum if you done things legit. But it might come in handy to record anyway in case IMC makes a mistake to ban you and you have the clear evidence for them that you done it without an exploit.

#27

No, blame an understaffed and underpowered GM team that has left the players with zero confidence in the safety and security of anything over several months. At this point if you’re not suspicious, you’re irrational.

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#28

I blame HIllary Clintons emails of rigged elections

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#29

I blame the big orange pig in a wig, and the hollering hogs he represents!

#30

I could tell you how terribly G*Y your profile picture is but let’s not get off topic

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#31

My manliness is always on topic.

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#32

In an easily exploitable game is reasonable to believe a +15 perf is made through cheating. If you don’t wanna get falsely accused just record the upgrades, it’s not even hard since we have a built-in recorder. If it’s legit the dev’s will be able to say so… Not that IMC really cares, there’s a lot of +25 running around, ppl crashing channels. "But please don’t accuse them without legit proof!How can you condemn them without proofs!"whines Those +25 were made out of nowhere and totally legit I’m sure.

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#33

like this dude

#34

Why is this being debated so much? It’s 3 in 625 attempts. Or near enough 1 in 200 attempts will succeed at being a perfect +15.

Thousands of people have attempted to get a +15.

It is not unusual that in those thousands of attempts some people have succeeded, because 1 in 200 will succeed.

Stop calling them cheaters, they’re not cheaters. The odds are better than dropping a Petamion…

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#35

Just like how you are telling that “all” of them are not cheater. How’d you come up with that?

#36

Because the odds are 0.48%, which is 3 in 625.

Why are you asking me to repeat myself? It’s a very simple concept. When thousands of people try to get a +15 it is not a surprise when 1 in 200 of all those thousands succeed at getting a +15 without any potential loss.

This is math taught to 12 year olds. If it’s not understandable then perhaps the people that don’t understand should stop making accusations about something they don’t understand. Calling people cheaters over a mechanic you don’t understand is very very silly.

As for costs, most guilds are making 50m+ per week on just their Alchemist guild members through dilgele farming and awakenings. Throwing guild money at buying and making better equipment isn’t difficult, all the good guilds are doing it now.

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#37

You didn’t answer my question… How did you get to say that everyone is not a cheater? You have showed the possibility that anyone can get a legit overupgraded equipment but the conclusion you made doesn’t make sense to what you have just explained. Which is “everyone is not a cheater”. Have you seen the videos and forums detailing the hacks on this one?

I think what you are trying to say is “not everyone is a cheater” instead.

#38

There’s only a few thousand people playing the game, yet you claim thousands have attempted to get a +15?

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#39

Yes.

Current peak players or the average currently online is not the same as total players that play per 24 hour time period.

If the average daily play time is a few hours and the average online players is 6000 to 9000 then for example you would do multiply the average online players by 8, assuming the average playtime is 3 hours of course. Even if the average playtime is an extreeeemely high 5 hours that still means there’s currently somewhere between 30,000 and 45,000 playing daily.

The average person definitely isn’t playing 5 hours per day.

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#41

It really looks foolish when someone dismisses highschool math as “politics”. You dislike the point I’m making so you’re dismissing something very basic. It looks very silly.

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#42

I guess you didn’t pass high school because you find out in statistics 101 in college blindly looking at .51 x .51 and interpreting it as impossible is retarded, and each event is its own separate point.

your high school math way of acting is exactly why casinos make billions.
oh this roulette hit red 5x in a row, black HAS to come up! what red again?! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE.

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