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The goal of every mmo is to get as many players as possible

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#21

are we going to start on the same plane where we consider game satisfaction = game population? because if that’s the case then it seems people are satisfied http://steamcharts.com/search/?q=Tree+of+Savior
an MMO with active players by the thousands is considered successful.

now, if we instead consider game satisfaction > game population, then someone has to get a 3rd party to survey players, AND not rely on venues such as the forum or steam likes for statistics because the output can be easily manipulated.

that’s how I see it, from a professional standpoint, as someone who analyzes stuff for a living :slight_smile:

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#22

The large majority of the population don’t actually go to the forums to begin with but I couldn’t tell you what exact percent is actually on the forums but its very low. The Steam Reviews don’t count because people can and will use it, as a group of people, to give unfair hate/ reviews on a game rather than give it a legit review. I have came across so many steam games that had a large amount of negative reviews with opinions or even right out lies about certain game only to find those games to be unique gems that I’ve been looking for since forever ago. Its just that the people that are coming to the forums to complain are more vocal and more heard because they are using the forum as a platform.

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#23

Why aren’t those same people doing the same to reviews of other free to play games like path of exile? Or warframe?

#24

Every newly launched game starts off with high playercounts…and besides, current ‘success’ does not guarantee or predict future success. Look at Warhammer online for example, it started off with quite a healthy user base.

Regarding steam reviews… you’d need to filter out low effort posts. But high effort posts I believe are a more reliable measure of sentiment on a game because someone actually went out of their way to write a negative or positive review.

It’s like how Shazam was able to use the number of times people Shazam’d a song to predict future hits.

#25

There could be many reasons actually but being that the developers can clear out/ censor “unfair negative reviews” on steam games that might be one possible reason. (Which is also another reason why steam reviews don’t count and yes I watched it happen on a few games.) Do we know what the reviews are when either game first came out or is there a site that doesn’t censor the information on actual reviews?

Another reason is projected forced hype that didn’t go actually through enough to get those “bad reviewers” to play the game and make a review.

There is too many variables to give an exact answer to that question.

#26

[quote=“chronosanct, post:24, topic:181188, full:true”]
Every newly launched game starts off with high playercounts…and besides, current ‘success’ does not guarantee or predict future success.[/quote]
true, that is IF we would agree that game satisfaction=game population, yet you did not answer that question.

[quote=“chronosanct, post:24, topic:181188, full:true”]
Regarding steam reviews… you’d need to filter out low effort pists. But high effort posts I believe are a more reliable measure of sentiment on a game because someone actually went out of their way to write a negative or positive review.[/quote]
this is if we’ll consider game satisfaction > game population. and who’s going to filter “high effort” vs “low effort” posts? right then and there there’s a loophole. you’ll need to define first how to measure high vs low effort, which is arguably vague as some reviewer may have thought lengthily, played every pixel of the game but just said 10/10 vs someone who played for an hour and wrote a damn essay on how it’s bad. that’s why I suggested (actually this is common corporate practice) a 3rd party survey

is this connected to the steam reviews? because it’s a red herring. and a faulty analogy :rolling_eyes:

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#27

at this point it feels like you’re trying to bail water with a net… when the ship isn’t even sinking.

if someone doesn’t like the game, they SHOULD leave – BOTH sides will be happier for it.

those staying don’t have to listen to yet another endless complaint about everything they don’t like (which is usually about how this game is different than another game they used to play, or a bug that affects them that isn’t fixed immediately). this kind of whiny rant does nothing but bring everyone down, and the sheer overwhelming volume of them has made me personally sick of browsing these forums repeatedly over the last week and a half.

those leaving can go find another game. hopefully the new game will be more to their tastes, and satisfy whatever needs the game they are leaving failed to address.

it’s natural for players to come and go during the life of a game. as long as a game is running, new players will discover it. previous players will re-discover it. current players will get bored and leave. new players should be welcomed. returning players should be welcomed back. leaving players should be wished well to find something that suits them better. overall, this builds a happier community in the long run.

like the old saying; you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time… and if you try, no one is going to be happy.

fighting to keep people who aren’t enjoying it just makes you unhappy, and them unhappier. at THIS point, the best thing to do is sit back and close your mouth. the faster everyone gets their whining and crying and leaving out of the way, the faster all the useless noise dies down and we can actually address issues that people who -do- care about the game are having.

as for the title? “more players” is not the goal of any mmo. it does not automatically translate to more money – not everyone that plays will buy in. nor does it automatically translate to better community – the ratio of good:neutral:buttholes is pretty constant, and simply adding “more” will increase all of those categories by a similar percent.

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#28

Just shut up and quit lol. :joy:

In order to create something new you need to come up with something new. the problem is if you come up with something new old folks like you who just not used to it will just cry.

like for example when facebook launches there are other social networking website already available friendster, multiply and myspace. everyone doesn’t want facebook on that era because well it’s boring they didn’t even allow you to design your page everyone was ■■■■■■■ whining about it…

well… who’s the last man standing now? all of them are gone for good. only one still exist, and those who doesn’t want facebook have no choice but to join the wagon lol.

IMC is trying to come up with something and is very very careful about it. you on the other hand was just some kid who have no patience at all who just wanted to play and be happy nothing more.

I myself doesn’t want the trade restriction I already contributed by giving suggestion it’s up to them to solve the equation by collecting Ideas and come up with something.

#29

That thread you linked is a troll baiting thread, it’s not constructive criticism.

Loads of drama queens like that. “This game will die! Tree of Failure! Flop! I’m gonna quit!”

Just… bye? What else is there to say? Just quit and stop making drama about it. It’s like these people are high school teenage girls. They get so bitter too, and fabricate drama endlessly because they want the game to fail, it isn’t enough that they quit, the game must fail, no one else should be able to enjoy it.

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#30

Well I mean you can now look In this thread and find some “nice” examples as well…

My point is that those people who complain do so because they care. Nobody writes 500+ word reviews on a topic if they aren’t invested in some way. This community should be scared if ever the complaints, criticisms, and suggestionsts stop coming… it either means you’ve satisfied everyone which is pretty much impossible or that nobody cares anymore.

#31

Oh, the joy of naiveté…
You have no idea how far people would go just to get attention. :rolling_eyes:
Thing is, I don’t know if you’re simply oblivious or thoughtless, whatever, I disagree with posts such as yours that employ sweeping generalizations.

I’d rather not elaborate, and just take that you have good intentions, but terrible arguments.

Have a good weekend.

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