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[Thaumaturge] Thoughts & Questions

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#1

I am really interested in the Thaumaturge. His buffs and utility in partys seems promising.

For stats I think high CON/SPR, medium INT seems the way to go, because C3 Thaumaturge does not have that much damage and is probably busy casting all his CC/buff spells.

For skills I came up with this build: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/njdrzoxh0q/ (v2)
(v3: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/h8g5eup5ds/)

What I am curious about is the time it takes to kill mob groups. Swell/Shrink Body gets +1sec duration for every skill level and +1 target every 2 skill levels. If 15 seconds is enough time to wipe a group of mobs, I think level 10 is sufficient, since it applies to up to 8 targets. Level 15 only adds 2 additional targets.

Maybe I want Transpose Lv3, so I can recast it before it runs out. But when I have more CON than INT there won’t be a loss of HP when I miss to recast it while it still lasts, so maybe Lv1 or Lv2 is enough.

Questions I still have about Thaumaturge:

  1. On what stats does Transpose happen? Base stats (without +10% INT bonus e.g.), base stats + permanent boni (equip, +10% INT bonus, …) or buffed stats?
  2. When I cast Swell Left/Right Arm or Brain, me and my party members in sight all get buffed, right?
  3. Can I use Shrink/Swell Body on players? If so, can I use it on my party or only on PvP enemies? Do the attributes apply on them? (So can I swell a Wizard to give him +60% MATK?) When using the spells on players, is it still up to 8 (10) targets?
  4. Can I toggle (all) attributes on and off?
  5. How much are the flat buffs in end-game? (145 INT from Swell Brain seems to still be good later on(?))
  6. How big are mob groups in general? Can I consume all 8 (10) targets on Swell/Shrink Body now and then or is it “overkill”?
  7. How long do mobs live in general? I do not want Swell Body to run out close before the mob dies…
  8. Can Shrink/Swell Body be used on boss mobs, summoned creatures?
  9. Transpose’s attribute is to understand that way, that when SPR=CON, Transpose won’t have any effect, right? Or will I end up with double SPR and CON because SPR=(SPR+CON/2)+SPR?
  10. What happens when swelling a large mob/shrinking a small mob? Do they just stay the size? If I have the attributes, will they get (de)buffs and take damage?
  11. What does “Weakened ATK” means in the Swell Left Arm Attribute for Swell Body enemies ( http://www.tosbase.com/database/attributes/206009/ )? Swell Body does not weaken enemies, it even strengthens them with the attribute.
  12. Can any class equip a dagger or shield in the off-hand? (Like Wizard with Staff+Dagger to get a huge boost from Swell Arms)

I plan to pick up Cryo and Linker on C1, do you think that’s good to go or do you have other suggestions?

Any feedback and knowledge about Thaumaturge is very welcomed. :smile:

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#2

I Plan to do a similiar Thaum build too as i understand for Transpose its INT and CON Swapped unless you level the attribute which it then gives you the sum of both divided by two as a bonus.

Attributes you can toggle on and off but you can only level one at a time from what i understand but i can be wrong

Swell buffs are AoE Party wide buffs

145 int is quite abit seeing as at level 200 if you just max straight int you get around 300

#3

Wait, so when I have Transpose with attribute and 100 INT and 100 CON, I get +100 INT and +100 CON? That would be pretty much broken, right?

#4

you would get 100 to both i believe from what the attribute says but i havent been able to test it out myself

#5

Any more answers to my questions? :stuck_out_tongue:

#6

Questions 10-12 enrolled. :smiley:

#7

  1. the shrink/swell mob spells have a duration

  2. Assuming it means it will lower their attack damage/rating instead of increasing it and the duration will keep extending/the debuff will keep stacking until 10 stacks

  3. i have seen Thaumaterges in the videos use Shield+Wand but some classes can only use some weapons/subs a Staff is a 2handed weapon so you would have to use a wand+dagger as wand is 1 handed

#8

  1. But they won’t take damage from the respective attribute, right? Because their size isn’t changed.

  2. Do you kno wif the “10 stacks” are about the duration or the debuff? So 10 stacks = 80 sec debuff or 10 stacks = 20%attributeLevel10 debuff? (The latter would mean, you can reduce damage by 600%? xD) Swell Body would be pretty strong if it slows AND weakens the enemy.

(If you know about the questions 1-9 feel free to comment :P)

#9

1) I’m pretty sure it should work around base stats, but I’m not sure if it will apply before or after the 10%/rank bonus. It is the main thing I wanted to test on thaumaturge.
3) Usable on enemies only.
4) Attributes that change a way a skill works(rather than a linear strength boost) usually can be toggled.
9) It should be the average of the both or else it literally doubles your stats. It’s probably just the translated wording that confuses people. It should be: average = (INT + CON)/2, then INT = average, CON = average.
12) I’m also pretty sure the right arm buff only applies to your sub weapon (your stat sheet shows main hand and offhand damage when you’re dual wielding) and doesn’t stack with the left arm buff for your attack/skills.

I plan on maining a Thaumaturge so I will get into testing all of their skills extensively as well as other jobs with mechanics that aren’t obvious. Things such as Bokor zombie damage, how is Enchant Fire/Sacrament calculated (unless it gets datamined first), which skills can knock up (break linker’s joint penalty), which debuffs work on bosses(probably only stat based debuffs and not cc), etc.

#10
  1. So on PvP enemies as well, right?

ToSWiki says the attribute for Swell Body weakens the enemies: http://toswiki.treeofsaviorgame.com/class/thaumaturge (and it also says the (de)buffs are much weaker than tosbase says)

#11

It should work in PvP as well. The tosgame wiki hasn’t been updated for a while. Right now tosbase has the most up to date info and gets updated as things change in the kcbt.

#12

Anyone knows about hidden effects on Swell/Shrink Body? Why do so many people say Thauma sucks? :frowning: