Tree of Savior Forum

Thank you IMC. ^^_^^

General Discussion
#1

There’s a lot of hate going around,negative reviews and granted stuff isn’t perfect, but i have waited for Tree Of Savior for a very long time and no launch in the history of launches goes 100% smoothly so half of these problems where expected.

So far i have enjoyed myself it is everything i hoped it would be i disagree with a lot of peoples opinion’s on tokens and trading and stuff its unique to say the least, so thank you for putting in the effort to release ToS to the west could have been another blade and soul by the time that was released i didn’t even want to play it because they took so long too bring it to western countries.

If anyone feels the same way, just leave a “Thank you” and bump the thread.

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You guys are awesome, IMC!
#2

You obviously never played ArcheAge, there’s nothing unique about “token trading”.

It’s pay to win 101, an will lead to credit card wars in no time flat once people hit end-game.

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#3

Thanks IMC for bringing us Tree of Savior! Glad to be playing this game, it’s exactly what I needed and if these bugs and other miscellaneous issues that have to get worked out eventually get addressed…I’m in for the long haul!

#4

As long as there’s no OP as ■■■■ items on the cash shop giving players unfair advantages i am good, your right i never played archeage i never saw the appeal but it does not seem like a bad system, the way i view games is if you want quality you have to pay for it most of the games i play are subscription based anyway.

Mortal Online
Eve
etc
Ragnarok has a similar system, but is almost certainly pay to win.
As it stands now, the trading restriction is fine its not like you can’t buy stuff off the market place, i am sure they will revise it in time i would personally like to see trading set at a level cap of 50 or something to avoid gold sellers breaking the economy like every other MMO out their
The token, is just a premium popular in free to play MMO’s and gives you a somewhat advantage and thats not pay to win, pay to win is when you take a system like ether saga or ragnarok and put OP Gears/Enhance stones etc making it so if you want to actually progress with your character you have to pay for it same with archeage the only people really OP at that game are people that threw money at it, it won’t be like that in ToS i hope… i really wish they would just slap a 9$ subscription on this game and then get rid of all that stuff problem solved.

#5

Thank you IMC! Argh 20 char restriction!

#6

Look people who have money can buy tokens list them on the broker, an exchange them for silver. Sliver is the most valuable resource in the game. Someone who a lot of money can print silver as they choose.

They can play the broker as they choose. Buying up an relisting items for extortionate rates. The game is pay to win of the highest order. As you can purchase the most valuable resource in the game.

Gold sellers are of course an issue. The solution is robust systems to combat them. Not allowing people to buy infinite silvers. All that does is stop people without the ability to do that, an prices them out of the market.

#7

Archeage had to close servers because of gold-sellers and bots causing inflation on economy, so there were no more people farming, everyone got money but no itens around, poor itens became expensive, so newbies couldn’t even think of buy, the only way was to buy premium and hard farm or buy gold from gold-sellers, after some time any forum about Archeage called it pay to play non-newbie friendly…

This actual system doesnt solve the problem and make people mad…

#8

How is that any different from almost any free to play game ever made?

How else are they going to make there money, that is a very loose classification of Pay to win that’s more like pay for convenience and not what i view as P2W at all.

#9

Go tell that to the thousands of players that will never play a Trion Worlds game again. Because of how horribly they ■■■■■■ up ArcheAge.

An how badly they treated the players in that community. Tell them it wasn’t pay to win, an watch them laugh in your face.

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#10

Well i don’t know about archeage but this game isn’t p2w.

#11

Bump

20 twenty twanty

#12

Yet it has exactly the same business model. I wonder how that happens.

#13

How is buying everything you want ingame with a credit card not p2w?

You have two persons.
One pays. One doesn’t.
Will the one paying have the advantage over the one who doesn’t pay?
Yes?
Does he win, if he pays? It’s the definition of pay to win then.

#14

ArcheAge dies not because of that, but because of known bugs and duping of gem that has been a problem in KR, but never fixed when they brought it to NA. At least get your facts right.

#15

Other games went well with token systens, but all of then had trade feature for free players, the problem is not exactly on token, the problem is how to stop gold-seller without stopping the economy. All of those limitations are restricting gold-seller, but non-token players are going insane cause they are far more tied than gold-sellers…

#16

Yeah, because that’s the reason “fact”. Not.

#17

token for 500k silver - 500k silver isn even worth noting! and dont forget that TP are limited right now (or can we buy an unlimited source right now?) how you wanna rule the world with 500k silver xDDD theyre scaming themselfs cause token should be 2m minimum or even more - 500k you get after few hours grind just by the plain silver drop not even counted additional stuff - i advice you to first play the game and then come back with your “p2w” crap

#18

Tokens in archeage were a few gold a week after release too.
Later on the price increased ten times. The more gold in the market, the higher the price.

#19

You are being a little extreme, it’s normal to have advantage when you pay, but the actual pay to win game is when a free player cannot procede on the game without paying.

#20

Hey genius… The server is a couple of days old. Of course people aren’t buying them now.

Wait a couple a months. They will sell in 2 seconds flat for 500k.