Rest well in you delusions :3
No delusions. I have tons of PvE-only built characters and Murmillo is really great in it.
No itâs not. Doppel may have better burst in fewer skills but murmillo have tons of very high skill % skills that makes very strong rotations. Another thing about Murmillos is that they usually pick Peltasta which allows them to mob really easily in PvE and deal damage to group of monsters quickly. A good pelta-murmillo can do 290 dg solo much faster than a good doppel 3, for example.
Murmillo is a very strong class when well built. Itâll out-dps classes like Dragoon 2 or Lancer with ease (yes those classes need some buffs to be comparable). Doppel 3 has more burst/single target dps but itâs a lot squishier while Murmillos are usually walking tanks with high dps.
If you donât believe Murmillos are pretty strong in PvE then you havenât invested in yours well enough.
Hop3 -> âTankyâ route. Finestra gives tons of block (40% or more chance to block) which makes you very hard to kill in PvE. Couple it with High Guard lv 10 and youâre nearly immune to physical damage regardless of your gears (85% or more chance to block).
Rodel3 -> âOffensiveâ route. Rodeleros have more skills that gain bonuses from Cassis Cristaâs attribute which make them have overall more dps than hop3 counterpart. You can still get high block rate with High Guard lv 10 (around 60% or more block rate) but you are obviously less sturdy.
I just said that there are better classes (among swords too), than Murm in PvE and WB, if we consider the same ammount of investements and similar gear. Well made Murm is the best TBL sword, but in PvE (we consider ET to be the only PvE we have in ToS, right? 'Cause killing simple mobs and clearing dungeons is fairly useless) and WB he will lose to well made specialised builds.
In my honest opinion Murmillos beat everything in swordman tree except Doppel 3 at sheer world boss or ET dps. If itâs a shinobi-murmillo the burst dps is even greater than doppel.
Clearing dungeon isnât useless, thatâs how most people farm their silver if they are actively playing (a.k.a. not using afk necro farm). Solo dungeons are also among the best silver/hour you can get while playing.
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In my honest opinion Murmillos beat everything except Doppel 3
You said it yourself. And equally equipped Fencer3 put out more damage on WB due to better rotation.
Clearing dungeon isnât useless, thatâs how most people farm their silver if they are actively playing
And these people doing it wrong, 'because dungeon clears are very bad way of silver farming now. Absolutely not time efficient. Especially if you are an active player.
Hi mrshadowccg: great info as usual. I like how u show pros and cons for each build. Im definitely going with 1 of the 2 builds u suggested (im not too interested in burst builds so probably not shinobi) Its ironic rodel (blue icon) is more of a dps than hop (red icon) lolâŚ
To nfprivaron: thanks for ur opinions. Im not that extreme with this game. I just want a decent build that âmakes senseâ (as in, not a âwtf buildâ like pelt2-cata1-doppel2-murm or somethingâŚ)
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Icons donât really matter much tbh. Plague Doctor 2 is a green âsupportâ icon but it was/is (because of black death bug/patch) among the best AoE dps of cleric classes (if not the best).
Honestly you canât go wrong with any combination of Peltasta / Rodelero / Hoplite / Shinobi with Murmillo. Even something âweirdâ such as Pelta2 Hop2 Rodel2 Murmillo will work very well.
Shinobi gives very good burst for one class circle but I opted out of it myself because clones are sometimes slow and make you take 50% more damage (I like making tanky characters).
The secret to Murmillo is buffing up Cassisâ Crista attributes as soon as you can. Once you have these attributes maxed (for the skills you use), youâll be sitting at nearly 2000% skill factors for most of your skills, which is something no other class can achieve.
Murmillos have a very powerful rotation because of these attributes. If you make a Pelta 3 Rodel 3 (for example) and max these attributes, youâll be sitting at:
- 2448% Shooting Star Lv 5
- 2065% Umbo Thrust Lv 5
- 1978% Headbutt Lv 5
- 1935% Shield Bash Lv 10
- 1650% Butterfly Lv 5
- 1520% Targe Smash Lv 15
- 1508% Umbo Blow Lv 15 (with High Guard)
- 1321% Evade Thrust Lv 5
- 1229% Scutum Hit Lv 5
No matter how you build another swordman class, itâll be very, very hard to have this many skills with this high skill factors. You may get higher factor in fewer skills (i.e. Lancerâs Quintain with Crush debuff has 3210% skill factor) but your rotation will eventually enter cooldowns and force your dps to halt.
Murmillos are very hard to beat at sustained dps (and even burst dps if shinobi is included).
Wow that pelt3-rodel3 sounds tempting. I think im gonna go with that one, since iâve never even played any C3 skills on either of the class.
Hope I helped 
Know that Murmillo are a high-cost high-reward class. You need around 8m silver to max each attribute in Cassis Crista (in a Pelta3 Rodel 3 youâll need 3 attributes so 24m silver to max them all).
In my opinion, if you want to be more tanky and slightly less offensive, you should exchange 5 points in Umbo Blow (thus keep it lv 10) and get High Guard to lv 10. The -10% damage is a big drawback (basically 10% less damage you do) but the block rate is well worth it in PvE.
If youâre looking for a skill build guide, this is probably how I would do it:
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#11333aaac.3555.1a3f6a7585.3f51657d8a91.11344575
Note this is a very PvE oriented build. If you want more PvP focus you should get Montano lv 1, Shield Charge lv 1 (to cancel Revenged Sevenfold), Frenzied Slash, and Bash.
1 point is kept in Slithering because it provides magic immunity which is still nice in both PvE and PvP.
You can also switch Shield Shoving for Shield Push. The latter doesnât have an overheat thus it gives overall less dps but it has higher skill factor and will provide slightly better burst dps (at the cost of sustained dps).
As for stats, it depends on your focus. The more CON you get, the more PvP-focused build you are. Pure PvE builds can stay at full STR without any investment into CON. Pure PvP builds should focus most points into CON with some STR for accuracy. You can get some CON for PvE, but I wouldnât recommend more than 90 (try to stay at multiples of 15 since thatâs when you get block bonus).
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IF I can make them maximumâŚ
But damn thatâs just too high. even with just 2k patk, letâs say umbo thrust, you can deal nearly 400k just for that skill.
Well this proves that even my squire murmil can be useful dealing high damageâŚ
Now when I have that money though, is the question
lmao ok buddy, different from you i play the class and know what i am talking about.
@mrshadowccg already gave good insights, no point in derailing the topic any further.
Thanks a bunch.
No Dex at all huh, since no skill is atk speed based.
What was the reason we get gung ho instead of concentrate again? You mentioned it before but i couldnt find/remember what you said
2000 patk with 2000% skill = 40k damage (2000 * 20 = 40k)
And you also need to take into consideration mobâs defense, armor type, and etc.
Gung Ho gives physical attack, which is multiplied by skill factor (and also reduced by mobâs defense). Concentrate gives raw damage per skill hit which doesnât multiply by skill factor but also ignores defense.
For a Murmillo Gung Ho is way better than Concentrate. The reason for that is because Murmillos have high skill factors with low hit count skills. Concentrate also scales twice as much with DEX than with STR. You tend to prioritize Concentrate on DEX builds with many multi-hit skills (usually Fencer 3 or Corsair 3).
But to be honest it wonât matter much if you pick either Gung Ho or Concentrate because these skills usefulness will eventually fade away when you start getting transcended gear and etc.
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My mistake⌠I am freaking ashamed
Yeah, I did read those dex vs str gungho and concentrate but as sw 1 thereâs not much skill points to spent so I end up taking both eventually
I mean, gungho still on flat numbers isnât it? while guardian is % based. Itâs amusingâŚ
which orange weapon is the best for a pelt3 rode3 murm: abdochar or skull smasher? thanks in advance