Tree of Savior Forum

Swordsman looking for help

Class and Rank Swordsman
#23

Mom please. On 260+ you will miss with sissels. This is not a theory, this is the build that I’m sporting on 280 lvl, 65-80 attribs, full equip. I do miss from time to time because I only invested 15 into dex. As a result - because there are a lot of mobs, those misses easily stack and the effect is turned on. And it happens on each 2-3 pack. I also don’t ever enhance gauntlets lol.

And I also mostly started to wear them for stats, but they’ve proven to be very useful outside of em.

The trick is to specifically take minimal dex for them to work.

#24

well its pretty obvious with archers and swordies
dex = pvp
str = pve
if he ever wants to pvp with this ( i have seen some highlanders in pvp) going full str and minimizing accuracy will be horrible, he will be next to useless.
i’d suggest having a spare superior bandit glove with a green gem on it and +10 it (or any other high accuracy glove) in case you are tired of missing so daamn much,
i still think that going full str (or full dex), without any other stat other than a few points into con is bad, i believe a mixture of both is still the best.
builds who invest heavily into 1 stat are never good in my opinion.
generally on archers and swordies i always like to have at least a 100 of both str and dex, and then invest the rest of the points from there as i see fit.

#25

I suggest you go to my channel and watch how 15 dex build fares in PvP. If not for that STR, you will be hitting Stoneskin block aaaaaaall the time. True that dex-types are problematic, but so far I’ve never run into the char whose dex made him TOO hard to kill, moreover, it mostly plays to my advantage as I proc sissels even in PvP (!) and also don’t knock them out of my own range by Long Stride. Instead of high DEX, I’d definitely just invest even more into CON for survivability.

Still, I do believe at some point I migh invest ~40-ish into dex + invest even more into my CON (it’s now 100 con and 500 str, want to get to 150 con).

#26

Did you even bother reading what i posted? Ok here, “READ” this part master this is by far the best i can advise to your pvp dilemma, unless you play kirito rofl

#27

I don’t think you would even bother fighting a Full Evasion build as they deal crap amount of damage if you wear plate armor as long as you have decent amount of CON for PVP standard. Like my toon full dex deal only 80 per hit to a plate target in TBL. although my toon is fencer so I can nullify their defence, any other class with extreme evasion would probably end up with very crap damage without armor reduction ability. and those STR would probably end up much more useful that DEX builds because they can fight things with stone skin or something like that.

#28

this is because you probably don’t have good gear, a good full dex build has crit damage gear and can be strong on some builds
i’d rather not miss.
besides, i didnt suggest full dex builds i suggest 1:1 str dex
gonig 100% dex 0 str is just plain dumb.
both full str and full dex sucks, especially for pvp.

#29

you said against full evasion tho, which STR build would have trouble but in a team setting, those full evasion build are useless since magic damage exist and being STR build helps alot with dealing those CON build mages and stone skin. I think it is better to be 1:1 STR CON with minimum on DEX (this minimum DEX would be used against build like yours) rather than 1:1 STR DEX for pvp especially if you have restrain because restrain does not miss at all even if the attack was dodged for some reason.

also for PVP crit damage stat is useless if you can’t crit at all especially CON give crit resist stat which is the Meta in PvP

#30

the goal is to maximize pvp performance
you cannot be the best pvp and not be able to defeat archers with evasion.
besides, what do you mean “build like urs” i already said like 5000 times that full dex is bad. full str is bad too. these builds just aren’t good for pvp.
the goals of full str or full dex builds is to somehow maximize damage or evasion
but in pvp, you dont need JUST min:max damage to dominate, in that case no one would build con
you DO need accuracy, wizards are not the only character that exist in pvp, there are swordsman and archers too and if you are against swordies and archers and always miss against them im sorry but ur useless, since you wont beat the wizards anyway.
barbarians are bad at pvp anyway, so OP wont have that problem. the goal of dex in pvp is not to crit but to have accuracy.
this is why going with a good mixture of str and dex (with con ofc) is the best in pvp. that’s what all the best swordsmen pvp are doing, they mix dex and str because you DO need both.
going in to a pvp fight with 0 dex and missing 90% of the time, is that how you expect to win pvp fights? block pene is too important and this is why we are going for a mixture of both, something like 120 con, 150 dex rest str (puts you with about 200-220 str) seems to me like a good balance for pvp.

#31

build like your means those 1:1 STR DEX, which you only need minimal DEX to hit, also you think wizards are not the only thing in PVP, look at the top PVP, which are cleric and wizard, do they invest on DEX?? no they invest more on CON which is countered by STR, so you would want more STR and minimal DEX (DEX that is enough to hit build like yours which is the "balanced: build) and ofc you want to counter the TOP not archers, and archers is easily zoned with restrain anyway (against it does not miss, and a stunned archer easily dies). and yes you would want to balance STR and CON so you don’t die fast while you hit the important target hard such as cleric and wizard which does not really need much DEX.

#32

same as everybody else, underestimating archers.
archers are a big threat to everyone and even to kinos, a scout musket can 1 shot people, and if you dont have the tools to kill him, he’ll just win the battle for them.
i guess you’ve never fought against scout builds. one day you will.

#33

yeah it is a threat but do you really think those threatening guys will have lots of evasion? if they can easily kill those CON cleric/wizard, they don’t have alot of DEX which you would kill easily as STR/CON also your build definitely dies faster than STR/CON build against scout since STR/CON build will have much more HP than you

#34

all (or at least most i’ve seen) muskets and canons have dex, those are dex classes.

#35

they have DEX but not used for evasion more on accuracy and maybe crit, they have STR also obviously for block penetration, which mean you can definitely hit them as long as you have a minimal DEX (unless they want to suicide and have no CON at all and minimal is not 0 DEX), still STR/CON can easily kill them too

#36

any archer with more than 200 dex (which is most likely how muskets build) have access to more than 700 evasion, really easy with superior bandit boots and evasion gems and mastery, for that i’d build at least 100 dex, and high accuracy glove+10 with green gems.

#37

welp i guess if I use a meta carry swordsman (pounce/cyclone/rush or shinobi with restrain) I’ll build it like yours else i’ll stick with tankier version (since other than meta swordsman, the rest end up as support so you want tankier, and tankier build also works with meta swordsman).

#38

@razm2888

Here are some things to consider with a low dex build. Concentrate still deals damage when you miss, and it’s not reduced by defense. With multi-hit skills it adds up, and actually becomes your best bet at killing high evasion archers because they tend to have around 7k HP. Restrain also procs on misses, which means they’ll be slowed afterwards for your team to finish off if you couldn’t.

I was playing a high dex build and I still couldn’t hit high evasion archers reliably. On top of that, with such low STR I couldn’t even put a dent in Priests and high con Wiz. Also with high dex you end up with either low con or low str or both. You’ll end up dying to magic the majority of times anyway so dex won’t help you there. Strength has so many bonuses now, it has to be your go to stat whether PVP or PVE, unless you’re a Fencer.

#39

this is because you guys doing very unbalanced stat builds, 0 str and 100% dex and con is bad
0 dex 100% str and con is bad
thats why im doing a mix of both, 150 dex 220 str 120 con, with hybrid gear.
besides, with +15 weapon and full crit attack and physical damage gear with double gladiators you should deal a nice amount of damage
im against full dex for pvp anyway.
in pve, you can survive with full dex or full str but in pvp, as a swordsman, you need both.

#40

This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden.

#41

just delete ur swordsman and make a cleric, i’m not joking…