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Swordman C3 -> Cataphract Opinions

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

I’m thinking about building a swordman C3 -> Cataphract PvM character using 2h Spears.

Now, I would like to hear your opinions about this because, I know most people tend to get at least hoplite C1 for the spear skills and finestra buff, but I would like to try something different.

Since I don’t intend on using shields, I’m not even touching peltasta and i’m also skipping hoplite to max out Gung Ho and Concentration buffs from swordman. Now, I know those buffs scale poorly but, if the game mechanics stays the same, 1 Str is still 1 Dmg, so one level in Gung Ho means getting about 3 more STR or having more hits count for concentration. Obviously I’m planning on maxing out the attributes for Gung Ho/Concentration and I’m hoping these skills would make up for the loss of the hoplite skills.

The stats would be evenly distributed, half into STR and half CON, with minimal DEX to be able to hit mobs.

So my question is, is getting those swordman ranks a bad idea? Am I really loosing too much from not going hoplite?

EDIT: Also, what’s your thoughts on pain barrier? I like the idea of being immune to flinch / knockback all the time, but is it worth maxing? Can you still get knocked down while mounting on a pet?

#2

For PvE, you mean? This build would work much better in PvP, actually.

#3

For PvE, yes — And why do you say it’s good for PvP? Because of Restrain?

#4

Cata is generally much better class used for PvP. Impaler, Rush, etc.

Getting Sword3 you, of course, get Restrain, which emphasizes this build further.

#5

Honestly I wouldn’t take PvP in this game seriously at all, especially as a Swordsman.

There is very little to no class balance and it seems like it’s just treated as a ‘minigame’, nothing else.

#6

i would kill these guys with my swordie build, easily =)

#7

note> PvP focused

Since highlander 2 isn’t an option anymore for cata c3> dragoon build I was thinking about going with “sword c3 > cata c3 > dragoon”, but I really don’t like the idea of going with sword c3.
Is “sword c1 >pelt c1 > hop c1 > cata c3 > dragoon” helpfull for pvp? I won’t be using 1h+shield spears, just 2h, but peltasta attributes may help me…?

Thanks in advance :slight_smile:

#8

If you don’t intend to use a shield I don’t see any reason at all to go peltasta. You need a shield to use swash buckling (and all other skills except guardian) and all of the peltasta attributes are aimed for shield users.

You can use most of hoplite’s skills with 2h spears, though. Except for syncho thrust. So hoplite might be a good synergy to 2h spear users.

#10

Thanks for answering o/

But if I don’t choose peltasta, and highlander isn’t an option anymore because of the nerf, I would be wasting my rank 2 then? :c
I was really happy with my build till the nerf on the highlander, now I’m confused with what should I do

So, the way to go is sword c3> cata c3> dragoon for pvp, but I’m afraid I won’t have utility for pve

#11

Both highlander and peltasta don’t fit well with 2h spear cataphracts.

Highlander has catar stroke, which was pretty strong in CB2 (and i assume it will be still strong now), but you couldn’t use it while mounted so it was pretty useless (no, mounting and de-mounting in middle of combat is a TERRIBLE idea).

Peltasta, like I said, is completely oriented to having a shield. If you don’t intend to use a shield at all (not even having a 1h spear and shield in your secondary weapon set to switch and tank when the party needs), then peltasta will be useless. You could argue taking 1 level into guardian and getting the 18% evasion attribute with guardian could help you, if you were to build an evasion cataphract, but I honestly don’t think it’s worth getting one whole class just for a 18% evasion buff (and the loss of gung ho).

For rank 2, however, you have hoplite, which is a popular combo for most cataphracts using 1h or 2h spears. Now, if you want to skip hoplite completely (like i suggested in the topic), just remember your only damage skills will be your cataphract skills. And at C1 cataphract, the skills pretty much suck for PvE.

For PvP though, as Autentist pointed out, you’d have the possibility of getting restrain, impale, pain barrier, and the other PvP-ish skills to help you debilitate enemies.

#12

friend, swordsman c3> cata c3> dragoon is awesome for pvp (if u want 2H spear)
i’m going for pure 2H sword =)

#13

Swordsman 3 is bad. Highlander 2 or pelt + hop is better.

#14

Anyone second that Swodman C3 sucks?
Lvling it will be a pain in the ass :s

#15

It’s great for PvP. There some means that can use him for PvE too, albeit the builds are very specific.

#16

Honestly, you lose the ability to use half your Highlander skillset while mounted. This is even more painful if Skyliner can’t be spammed in our version. Not to mention against Bleed immune enemies…

#17

Yes if skyligner cant be spammed, 2 highlander probably not worth it. I was just saying what Korean communities are saying. Swordman 3 is considered bad even for pvp because restrain is immune if there is a plague doctor. Also I think Ceta 3 rank has a stun anyways.