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SW2 DOPPEL is much better than HL1 doppel

General Discussion
#1

Firstly you guys have to know what HL1 gives you
Lets talk about the late game

IF your doppel all STR ,which means less critical rate
IF your doppel all DEX, which means less critical attack

OK, lets image your doppel every skill can hit 50k each time.
With your 2000 critical attack , the 2H sword mastery will only gives you 1000 final damage ( if every attack critical).

Which means this passive only brings you 2% damage increase.

And ! When you party with a kagura dance or dragoon

This increased damage will give you almost no improve.

How many doppel have 2000 critical attack now ? Tell me.

So dont let pick HL1 (HL3 is good) , its totally useless.

Go for sw2 for 5secs more pain barrier and restrain

#2

R9 is cming very soon, I think doppel’s cyclone and DOV is still very strong. So when R9 has no 2H-sword class, HL1 is totally useless again!

#3

For R9 go to SW3 for PB attribute :smiley:

#4

Yes we can sir, but as I said, HL1 is a noob trap .
When you reach 330, this attribute gives nothing!
Scales too bad

#5

R9 isnt coming very soon at all. The earliest i would say is Summer '17

#6

Its quite near bro, even there is no R9
HL1 is still bad
You cant deny

#7

Because somebody is keeping misuderstanging peopel to pick HL1, who says its a big damage.

#8

If you stack crit attack gear HL1 is actually a great pick. Its not a noob trap its a pick for specific builds not every dopple build. Noobs are throwing in HL1 without any research.

#9

I have to disagree as someone who played for than 2 years with HL1 on his Doppel build.

-Wagon wheel is a good skill for the reason of doing a combo with punish and not wasting 1 skill point of your doppel to get a Knockdown or Knockback skill.

-Catar Stroke is your early DPS that is both AoE and High dmg. Not that it has it’s flaws but still, a good skill to invest both early and late.

While some skills are not that used by many for example Cross Guard and Crown, they’re still good in their own way.

After all everyone have their own build and their own playthrough, I’m just saying that by saying Highlander 1 is useless by just looking at 1 passive attribute of the class tree and not analyzing other skills and it’s benefits on the long run.

#10

Lets talk the lategame , I know this passive is really good when you leveling, but this attibute scale too bad.
Lets image If we can stack like 5000 ca, this attribute only gives you like 2500 more damage each hit right?
You know how much it cost to 5000ca right?
Those rich people may already has there cyclone capped, so why they dont use green gems?
And you may know there is few people as a doppel will use yello instead red or green. Because this attribute is so hard to stack and scale too bad

#11

Sir , If we talk really late game, u have to admit the 2h sword mastery is useless, and catar stroke is too poor in R8 world.

#12

Read his comments again, hes said catar stroke is good early dps.

#13

yeah exactly, and im talking about the late game.
So what HL1 give us then?
IF we go sw2, we have 5sec pb and restrain

#14

Some people say the skills are good but in r8 world it is very poor and r9 wil be worse.
And you may notice that the 2h sword mastery scale too bad.
So HL1 will give us nothing really.
But sw2 has 5secs more pb and restrain

#15

When we play this game , we pick class very srsly
Each pick has its reason , for certain skill or attribute
But when we play doppel , there is no reason go HL1 if we think deeply

#16

if you don’t like it, I don’t get why you make a big deal out of it. its your char, your class choice. it’s a fact that some people prefer it (Highlander) and are really stacking crit atk.

its also a matter of party composition if you have a perma party. Melstis can increase your PB uptime, or sometimes you won’t even need PB as Ausrine already does it for you, Cryo has better CC skills than Restrain.

btw red is useless for Doppel as DoV scales by Min Damage not Max Damage. It’s either Yellow or Green for Doppels.

#18

What sort of late game are you predicting here. It depends on the stats and equipments of your build. 2H mastery gives 10% crit dmg. so with at least 1K crit dmg + yellow gem / item substats that adds crit dmg, that’s still good since % bonuses increases when the stat being boost increases. I also have to disagree of Catar stroke being poor in R8 maps. I’ve been grinding quest in most of those map and Catar does a good job with high dmg since it’s an early DPS skill from an early class tree which means from 20~330, you have a lot of time and silver to invest on attribute upgrades which, in my case deals 12~15K per wave hit on a normal dmg scale + 1 wave for every skill charge, so that’s at least 60~75K dmg on 1 skill only, with crit I think I mostly deal 15~28k? and the aoe is still good.

We don’t know what R9 will give us. And the scaling of 2H isn’t bad, it’s just unrecognized by most who didn’t pick Highlander for their build or didn’t pick a pure DPS swordsman Class Tree.

#19

Sir,Im living in Japan and our server has no class reset.
This game is very popular in japan.
And most of my frd play this game and watch this forum.
We learned very much from ITOS and all friend here.

I know we are all freedom and people have their faith

But As I said before, We pick a class for certain reason, either their skill or attribute can help us in later meta

So We have two choices bewteen HL1 and SW2
I just want talk very techniquely which of these is better in late game?

#20

Yeah, just wasted my lvl 8 Red gem on that, I did green on my last slot for my sword, did the job of making my crit more frequent but still red is good until They decide to charge us 99TP for extracting gems without the penalty :joy:

#21

Unfortunately, nothing is futureproof in TOS. You have to remove the meta mindset if you really want to invest on something in the long run. Swordsman in general were f*cked up at Rank 7 cap and was on the rise again at Rank 8 cap. Who knows what will happen in Rank 9?

The only tip that I can give to you is to know all about the classes and pick what you enjoy most. But if you are into meta, bear in mind that you will probably (very high chance) be changing or re-rolling into another meta character once the devs implements drastic changes. There’s a reason why its called meta because it is the flavor of the month/level cap and will likely change.

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