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[SURVEY CLOSED. PREEMPTIVE RESULTS OUT] Psychology of Savior: A Short Survey of Player Demographics, In-Game Behavior and More

[SURVEY CLOSED AS OF TODAY JUNE 3RD 2016]
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Hi fellow Saviors!

I want to highlight that this survey was only from a player from the community’s own initiative and simply for fun and for the community. It was run by a student, not a professional, so nothing further was intended. I hope that at the end of the day, there was more positive impact than negative impact done by this survey. For example, simply to answer questions like this may have caused a little bit of awareness of mental health in video games and your life experience in general.

UPDATE: Current sample participation progression: N = 324/300, >100% of objective met

SURVEY IS CLOSED AS OF TODAY FRIDAY JUNE 3RD 2016! THANK YOU ALL, AMAZING PEOPLE RIGHT HERE!

Rest assured that I deleted the form results from Google so technically there is no trace of this information anywhere else. I also will delete the database from my own computer, so the only results are here. I can’t unfortunately unsee what I have seen, so I can’t delete the data from my own brain (just think about your relation to data for a moment). At any rate, no private information was linked to any real life ID (Only an optional in-game Team Name was used) (read below).


Please read the consent and debriefing form carefully before completing the survey. (Link to survey removed after closure).

Consent and Debriefing Form: I thereby declare that I am over the legal age in my country of residence (18+ or 21+), and that I am willing to participate in this anonymous survey which aims to collect basic data about player demographics, in-game behavior, and clinical symptoms. I understand that my data will be analyzed and summarized in aggregation with other people, and that I may withhold my participation at any time, and quit if I feel uneasy. Revision as of April 11 2016: I also understand and agree that my information is not identifiable to my real identity (Anonymized), and is collected for strict entertainment and potential benefits which include knowledge, by a private third party individual regulated by the Canadian Research Ethics Board (but not required for review by the REB due to article 2.4, i.e., exemption of REB review if exclusive secondary use of anonymous information and if no data linkage is possible), and not affiliated to any institution or company. My information will not be used for commercial purposes, and is only strictly going to be published in the Tree of Savior forums only, specifically in this thread: http://tinyurl.com/jsngxdq. Finally, I understand that my data will be removed from Google Drive after the data collection process, and that the only indirect, OPTIONAL, in-game identifier specifically kept for the raffle, my “Team name”, will be also removed from the data set. I also understand that even after consenting to participating in this survey, I may remove my own response from the Google forms platform and contact the researcher at–@email removed, contact in forums if applicable–to remove all other traces of my data at any time to ensure maximal control over my privacy. I also understand that the present principal researcher is obligated by Canadian research laws (article 5.1) to safeguard entrusted privacy and information from unauthorized access, use, disclosure, modification, loss or theft, but in the unforeseeable event of it happening, the risks presented are minimal because of complete anonymity. (If you have read this consent form, write: “I understand and I consent.”)

Concerning privacy

TL;DR: It’s just a survey. Edit: I do not know what the moderators will do about this, but as far as I’m concerned, I haven’t broken any laws. A few people have raised issues about privacy laws. While I’m not aware of every law out there (especially since they’re all different depending on the country you live in), I know that because no kind of contact information that is given (as a matter of fact, only your Team name) in this survey can be traced back to the individual in question in real life by either me or anyone seeing this, there is no breach of privacy. Your team name is no secret either–it’s public in-game and/or in the forums and to the company. The data here is anonymous in that sense and for non-profit. There is however something that I haven’t thought through carefully–minors. As someone said, minors can’t give their own consent, even if I debrief them.

As a result, I will have to discard “data” up to now that was given by minors and modify the survey entrance restrictions to 18+ / 21+. International laws make this really hard to manage, and I’m sorry if I involuntarily raised concerns. There is a consent form. I also do not “mislead others” or collect information like emails (although I offered up mine, but I will take it off). Regarding that point, if you think about it, this survey is not worse than minors in the actual game befriending people and giving out their contact information wilingly. Edit 2: storing private information laws are tricky, but my take is that this is for personal use only and not from the standpoint of a commercial/or academic use. Also, in the briefing and consent section I have clearly stated the intentions of the survey and repeated that participants can quit at anytime. Edit 3: Initially, I did not even want to include your Team name in the requirements (which is not disclosed to anyone else than me), but I thought that nobody would participate if no rewards were offered! So how else am I supposed to give in-game rewards for completing this survey? Edit 4: Also, people can retract/modify their participation in the survey at any time. This furthers the case that no harm at all is done.

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Interesting, quick question, how did you embed the google form into discourse? I thought there was no iframe support?

EDIT: Figured it out. For anyone who wonders. Google provides you this from the google form as a dissemination option:

<iframe src="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/your_form_identifier/viewform?embedded=true" width="760" height="500" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0">Loading...</iframe>

But all you need to copy and paste into the forum post is:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/your_form_identifier/viewform?embedded=true
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I filled it out, but I feel some of my answers weren’t what you desired. Mainly because of my current situation and not my plans.

Ooh, I love these kinds of surveys. Good luck on your analysis!

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Interesting survey,I like how in-depth it is.I hope you get some interesting data!

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Umm, could I ask where are you from Meliodas? Are you aware that this survey might break EU legislation since it collects many kinds of personal information like gender, age, religion and medical information and since you’re going to publish the results here? I’m rather sure you’re breaking the Finnish legislation, at least if you publish the data. And probably because you’re “professional”, the personal data act is appliable on you even if you didn’t publish it. The laws how you have to store personal information is really strict and you might need separate permissions (from parents and some kind of law enforcement) since you’re collecting this information from minors too.

I’m not an expert on this subject but there’s a very small chance you might get yourself in legal trouble by doing this if you don’t have official permits to do this survey (because it collects personal information, I’m not sure if it has to be strictly connectable to person, though). I would be extremely careful especially since this forum has lots of minors among the users.

Here’s the Finnish law about this subject, hopefully it’s the up to date version of it, it’s in English: http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1999/en19990523.pdf

Probably some European level law might override this one? I know nothing about them since EU bureaucracy is a mess. You probably want to check out the European personal data protection act too, to find out whether it’s applicable to this case.

Anyways, I flagged this thread for moderation to know.

Edit: Here’s also cropped relevant part from [Terms of Service] (https://forum.treeofsavior.com/tos)

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Section 8 — General prerequisites for processing
(1) Personal data shall be processed only if:
(1) the data subject has unambiguously consented to the same

Section 12 — Derogations from the prohibition to process sensitive data
(1) The prohibition in section 11 does not prevent:
(1) processing of data where the data subject has given an express consent;

Section 23 — Grounds for derogation
Sections 22 and 22a do not prevent the transfer of data if: (986/2000):
(1) the data subject has unambiguously consented to the transfer;

Those are the exact reasons why anyone taking this survey needs to type that they consent and agree to the terms, right off the bat. If you actually cared to read things, you’d save the mods the trouble, since no laws were broken at all, given that everyone taking the survey needs to consent explicitly and is able to retract said consent at any given time. :disappointed_relieved:

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But if you knew the legislation, you’d know that minors can’t give their consent on their own.

The consent might allow the gathering of this data from the participants’ side but it still won’t any way remove the obligation to store the data according to regulations and you might still need permissions from the law enforcement to gather that data. Those parts you’ve quoted only tells you when this data is allowed to gather when everything else is in check but it doesn’t say what else you need to have for it to be allowed.

Permission from those whose information you’re going to gather is one thing and possibly needed permission from the law enforcement is another.

Edit: I know that at least in Finland you have to hand over to police an official report (henkilörekisteriseloste) about what kind of personal data you’re going to gather, for what purpose and how you’re going to storage the gathered information.

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Which legislation should I have known? My country’s legislation? EU’s legislation? Finland’s legislation? Canada’s (which is OP’s country) legislation?

I quoted the relevant parts for gathering, transfering and processing data from Finland. I suppose storage of said data would have to comply by Canada’s legislation, once the consent was given.

Also, why do you keep ignoring that OP is collecting said data ANONYMOUSLY (AKA - no form of personal identification is given during the survey) as an individual, from consenting individuals and for personal, non-commercial purposes?

EDIT: I searched Google for Canada’s Privacy Act and it seems to be called PIPEDA. While I’m no expert on canadian laws, I was given the understanding that PIPEDA doesn’t cover “An individual’s collection, use or disclosure of personal information strictly for personal purposes”, which is OP’s case.

EDIT2: I apologize in advance if I’m sounding condescending or aggressive. It’s my stupid way of living my stupid life. :grin:

EDIT3: How the hell is one supposed to pronounce “henkilörekisteriseloste”? :frowning:

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Well, that was fun :kissing_smiling_eyes:

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You seem oddly uptight about this.Not trying to sound harsh,but this survey probably won’t get taken by a ton of people.It’s also not being used for monetary profit,sold to anyone,and as has been said,you have to give consent before taking it.

The mods have much more important things to attend to.This isn’t a big deal,and some of us are interested in the results.Maybe try to relax a little.

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Thanks for your participation! There may be leading questions in the survey, but I’m going to revise it.

Well that survey was oddly enjoyable to fill out, even if some of the gender related questions hit a little close to home for me.

The best of luck with your Psychology studies/career! I really wish I had a psychologist myself who had a better understanding of how multiplayer video games can effect lives.

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Thank you for looking up these specifics, Deprox. Like you said, there are so many different legislatures that none can apply to every situation in one way, unless there’s a major breach of privacy. Which isn’t the case here, I think. Oh God, I hope not. Sigh.

In this case, this is strictly for personal use (namely, curiosity) and the data will be published here only, again for non-commercial purposes. I, however, should have thought about the minors. I added a requirement that participants are only eligible if 18+/21+ depending on the country they live in, but I have no control over whether they decide to lie about this or not. At any case, no contact information is either linked to private identity or given on their part to me outside of the Team name–which is not really different from walking around in-game and shouting. Only the 3 raffle winners will be contacted also.

Wtf the form reset on me.

Um, I might have edited the form just now. I don’t know if that was the cause, but I’m sorry if it was.

It just reset on me again… I’m never going to complete this at this rate lol.

Well it’s done this time. Hopefully it’s useful for you :slight_smile:

By the way your megaphone question asked for a follow up but an option was not provided.

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As long as you don’t sell this info to anybody or use it to any purposes that aren’t personal, I don’t think there would be. It’s not like you can identifiy anyone except for their game names. But it’s a good thing you added that 18/21+ warning, though.

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As of now, the current sample participation progression is: N = 57/300, 19% of objective met. If you are reading this, you can still participate!