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Subzero shield still too OP

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#41

Yeah subzero shield is toxic for swordsmen in PvP.

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#42

Enjoy your QQ because nothing will change and you guys will get tired of posting on this thread and give up eventually LMAO.

THEN! when you get rekt by it again you’ll be back too QQ more LOL.

All I can say was this [quote=“Loztchild, post:39, topic:305829”]
Look at TOS as Pokemon

Water>FireFire>GrassThunder>WaterPsychic>Fighting Thunder>Earth

and so on

With the Ktos patch were getting to a point where there is no build that beat every single builds in the game.

Your build may be weak against another buils but there is a build that can counter the one you lost to.The build that can beat the one you lost to,you may be able to beat that one.

Example:

YouYour opponent 1Your opponent 2

You < Opponent 1Opponent 1 < Opponent 2You > Opponent 2

Or more direct

Melee < Subzero ShieldRange > Subzero ShieldMelee + Bloodletting / Prophecy / Indulgentia / Cure > Subzero shield

In that is why TOS is looking more like a team PVP oriented game rather than a 1 v 1.Why you think there is only duels and no 1v1 in “TEAM Battle League”.

Your problem is that you think your build can beat any other build.And you are so dead wrong and if you keep that mentality your going to make more posts like these and nothing will change in the game the way you want it and you will eventually quit the game or rage and QQ at those you can never beat.

There is some build you can beat and there is some you can’t.

ACCEPT IT and MOVE ON
[/quote]

OR GET GUD lol

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#43

I know I have no business here (except that I am a cryo3 lol), but I completely agree with you.

People gotta admit that there are certain builds which can take down theirs and others which can’t. Cryo’s subzero shield already got nerfed once. What would they want more? God…

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#44

I think the main problem is that WIzard has too many anti melee stuff that swordie can’t do ■■■■ about, to the point it gets stupid.

And imc just gave Featherfoot another, that paired with Sage will make the Featherfoot immune to anything for at least 16 hits, hilarious.

#45

Well if Wizards want to keep wrecking Swordsmen and soon Archers I guess. Hopefully Clerics will destroy them, R8 seems promising.

Maybe R9 we’ll see really OP swordsmen skills that “delete” Clerics from fights. LOL maybe all missiles reflected back to do damage, or a debuff that stops all healing sources for the targets.

#46

Unless imc nerfs Rx7 Kabba>Inquisitor will dominate pvp.

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#48

I cryo everytime~~~~

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#49

I Cryo C3 long time!

#50

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#51

o.O what are you talking about?

#52

Subzero shield still too strong…there should at least be a limit to the number of hits like missile hole.

#53

Just don’t freeze me when my pet hold the cryo or the cryo step on a caltrop or when a sapper trap hit the cryo, a lot of stupid things that should not happen -_-*

#54

Oh yes, because missile hole is so balanced in PVP. :smirk:

#55

Well missile hole and subzero shield are almost the same yet different. I guess neither of them are balanced for PvP.

It’s a little concerning when nothing has been done about this hard counter for months. After all this time, all IMC did was to create a ranged equivalent of subzero shield lol.

I guess archers finally know our pain?

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#57

Can’t subzero shield be killed w/ bodkin arrow though?

I’m new to being a cryo, but what exactly does subzero shield offer in pvp? I only use it for pve at the moment.

#58

Subzero protect you from swordman when they don’t have a cleric with cc immunity on their side (which is somewhat rare), it doesn’t even protect from damage. It’s strong but only vs swordman, at this point if subzero was really OP, we would see way more thread about how featherfoot flying is op, since in contrary to subzero they are totally immune to swordman with it.

Just to compare with missile hole too, cd is higher than duration (you need cryo3 to be close to 100% uptime) and doesn’t protect from damage, chance to freeze is far from 100% too, it’s around the same rate as restrain from swrodman.

And if it’s a RC who use subzero then it can do some decent reflect damage with RoI, otherwise damage is pretty low.

If we talk about immunity skill, well any skill from that type is broken, don’t want to start again a debat about aus / missile hole / etc, while subzero doesn’t make immune from sword.

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#59

To add to the point above, pain barrier can resist rank 1 CC’s, so the chance to get frozen is even lower. Subzero shield is also just a self buff that only buffs the caster, same with featherfoot’s levitation. Meanwhile missile hole/ausrine can be cast on the whole entire team.

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#60

Also would like to add to the point that Missile Hole also prevents a lot of archer’s mechanic from working, such as I tested today a player won’t receive the Root effect from Full Draw when having Missile Hole nor any Knockback or other effects induced by direct missile attacks. While other skills such as Subzero Shield and Levitation allows all types of knockback and effects to be applied.

#61

Afaik pain barrier can resist any rank cc, and push back/ bump, which aren’t counted as cc (which is the same side effect ausrine give).

#62

Pain barrier/running gives chance to resist only rank1 status also ausrine only grant immunity against knockback/down that are triggered with damage like bash but not against ones that trigger even without damage like shield charge and energy blast, every immunity gives that protection. Meanwhile pain barrier grants immunity to all kinds of knockdowns/back.