Tree of Savior Forum

Subzero shield still too OP

General Discussion
#21

Instead of winning over a nerf why don’t you make a thread about how it should of been nerf.

All these ppl QQ,rage and quit the game but they don’t give a reason or example about how the nerf should of went down.

You know why?!
It’s because you guys believe it didn’t need a nerf in the first place and it was too comfortable playing something you all know was OP.

The least you people can do is offer a suggestion to us and IMC about the nerf.

Instead of saying
They overnerf blabla without no real feedback or suggestions.

#22

These people only wanna play the flavour of the month, if they see Cryo3 is sht, they will jump to Monk with stone skin.

You will never please these guys, cause they hate loosing on PvP.

2 Likes
#23

I did mention they could change it to absorb damage and/or raise magic and physical defense~ something useful for all situations without being OP. The nerf currently though makes it not worth having in PvE and doesn’t completely fix the problem it has in PvP so it’s not really the best solution. My other issue kinda went off topic and was meant for only IMC so feel free to ignore it.

#24

May you elaborate more that please

Like what kind of numbers are we seeing?
100% chance it would raise the magic and physical defense?

#25

and removing subzero shield also disables cryos for pvp, tell me, what else a cryo can do in pvp? ice bolt = no freeze, ice wall = -50% dmg, frost pillar = easy avoidable.
I just see cryo haters saying that cryos were too and ■■■■, but these changes are just bad.
They could have done a lot of other reworking like reducind the uptime, the dmg reflection, etc. But no, lets make an ice focused class, made to be defensive that doenst have defensive spells, no damage and yet doesnt freeze, nice logic.

2 Likes
#26

That’s an invalid argument. Pyromancer is the opposite side of a Cryomancer, and yet you don’t see :
1- Pyro3 CCing anyone on PvP
2- Pyro3 QQing that they get “disabled” on PvP cause their damage is sh*t.

Pyro and Cryo were meant to work the same way just with opposite elements. Putting on the table that “we’re a defensive class”, “we’re an ice focused class” is just an ignorant statement.
If so, then, “Pyro is a fire focused class”, GENIUS.

If we follow your logic, then every element on this game should have a “special effect” on their opponents, which is not true.

#27

“Cryomancers use ice magic to freeze foes or protect their allies from enemies by using ice walls.”

source: http://www.tosbase.com/game/classes/Cryomancer/

1 Like
#28

That’s a tosbase description for classes, compare Cryo and Pyro skills, many of them have the same name with ICE or FIRE on it.

#29

“Class icon colors:
Red = focus on: damage, large AoE range/hit-limit, self-damage increasing buffs
Blue = focus on: defensive utility, damage decreasing buffs, disabling debuffs
Green = focus on: stat increasing buffs, AoE or party buffs, stat decreasing debuffs
Yellow = focus on: unique summoning/crafting, additional upgrades to crafting/enchanting, long-lasting shops/buff stations”
“Skill icon backgrounds follow the same theme”

2 Likes
#30

You can freeze with your SZS and reflect damage in pvp against melee enemies but not range. Why act like sub zero shield is disabled.

It works but not on range.With many changes to SW and other nerf on Wizards and Clerics, we will see more SW in group pvp.

You guys need to depend on teamwork since cryo and kino can’t solo carry anymore and that’s what pissing most of you off.

Teamwork is something most you cryo and kino know so little bc of the 0 counter play you guys had.You guys were too spoil and know lost hope bc you invested yourselves too much on something that was too op and easy to use with no counter play.

Oh please don’t come at me with Cleric Stone Skin and Bloodletting because those skills were nerf also.

I believe IMC is trying to have a team base pvp rather than 1 build or class determine the pvp match.Those 1 shot kill from Archers will get a nerf soo don’t worry lol and I don’t think they’re done with Clerics either.

And my friends that’s what you call balancing.

1 Like
#31

you could bodkin SzS
you could capture, flip , counterspell the raise
you could just headshot / covering fire / autottack the cyrokino once to cancel the pole
then again you couldnt do any of these and yet talk about teamwork, you could work around it or even better bring your own cyrokino.
but well youre right about the no counterplay if you play as swordman lel
the only cancer this game have is oracle-PD build, its like professor but with heals with them and they could get diev / priest for more utilities

#32

PD is nerf so you won’t have 100% up time of CC prevention and Oracle has stacks that can be wash away by Cata+SW rush and restrain or other cc’s.

Like I said Clerics are going to get more nerfs and believe it will hit Kabbalist soon.And those cloak and ONE shot archer players shouldn’t be too comfortable because they also will get the nerf hammer soon or later.

I also believe that cata may get a nerf aswell in term of their rush skill (assumption).

Chrono haste that has 100% uptime (assumption)

#33

what game that got 100% uptime cc prevention? everything got its counter but everyone just doesnt want to play / do it. well i do agree swordman is dumpster tier just like lordknight on RO. but also every single cyrokino spell is on a min cooldown.
rolling is 1min + cd
tree got 50 sec cd, and it doesnt even do ■■■■ lel
icewall is on 1min cd
and pole on 35 sec
4 skills that u could easily counter with either thaum/rog/ your normal pd builds
if you crave “balance” that much, you should ask IMC for swordies buff instead killing another class AGAIN. remember barbarian the betakings?

#34

I don’t understand what are you trying to tell me because I just stated what was nerfed and assume the next nerfs,doesn’t mean I am 100% ok with them.

#35

And this is a problem. Even a game like maplestory give skill reset when they change skills.

1 Like
#36

My sub zero shield got nerfed and I still haven’t lost a battle. Please implement arena battle league imc. Thank you.

#37

This skill definitely need to be nerfed

How can you kill them when everything you touch make you freeze?

Everyone has to be ele3+warlock so you can kill without touching them?

This is a very good update. Like it

#38

This skill is still OP.

#39

Oh god and I though ppl would stop QQing lol

Look at TOS as Pokemon

Water>Fire
Fire>Grass
Thunder>Water
Psychic>Fighting
Thunder>Earth

and so on

With the Ktos patch were getting to a point where there is no build that beat every single builds in the game.

Your build may be weak against another buils but there is a build that can counter the one you lost to.The build that can beat the one you lost to,you may be able to beat that one.

Example:

You
Your opponent 1
Your opponent 2

You < Opponent 1
Opponent 1 < Opponent 2
You > Opponent 2

Or more direct

Melee < Subzero Shield
Range > Subzero Shield
Melee + Bloodletting / Prophecy / Indulgentia / Cure > Subzero shield

In that is why TOS is looking more like a team PVP oriented game rather than a 1 v 1.Why you think there is only duels and no 1v1 in “TEAM Battle League”.

Your problem is that you think your build can beat any other build.And you are so dead wrong and if you keep that mentality your going to make more posts like these and nothing will change in the game the way you want it and you will eventually quit the game or rage and QQ at those you can never beat.

There is some build you can beat and there is some you can’t.

ACCEPT IT and MOVE ON

1 Like
#40

lol look at tos as pokemon…

ok

wiz = mega rayquaza
swordie = flareon

but yes plz… all wiz, skill reset and get rid of subzero shield.
plz plz plz