Spear Skill Questions [Hoplite and Dragoon]

[Chanks]

Hi,

Doing a Hoplite Dragon Build (Sw1> Pelt1 > Hop3> Cors1> Drag 2) and Currently on Hoplite 2.

Picked Corsair for PVP purposes.

I’ve got a few questions:
1.) Gae Bulg and Spear Throw: Does it really throw your Item? or just animation but will remove the effects/stats of your spear?

2.) Gae Bulg and Spear Throw: Can you use spear skill after throwing your spear? like Spear Throw/Gae Bulg then use Long Stride(Jump) to pick it up.
Or Spear throw then Gae Bulg or vice versa.

3.) What if I Spear throw/Gae Bulg but I didnt pick up my spear? will it come back to me automatically after a period of time?

4.) Iron Hook with Spear Skill: I’ve heard you can use skills and Normal attacks while holding an enemy with Hook but if you move, it will be canceled: What if I Hook then Long Stride to Enemy to close the gap, will i still hold the enemy? (planned Combo: Hook> Long Stride> Melee Skill bursts)

5.) Weapon Swap: Can I do 2 consecutive long range spear throw with weapon swap? [throw>swap>throw>pick both]

6.) [Corsair Related] Can You stop/cancel Keel Hauling(pull) but not the Iron hook Hold? ex: Iron Hook+ Keel Hauling then when the enemy is close enough to reach by your spear, stop keel hauling while still holding your enemy.

thats all for now…

Thanks

[pathapol]

1.) Gae Bulg and Spear Throw: Does it really throw your Item? or just animation but will remove the effects/stats of your spear?

Latter. (You don’t lose your actual spear)

2.) Gae Bulg and Spear Throw: Can you use spear skill after throwing your spear? like Spear Throw/Gae Bulg then use Long Stride(Jump) to pick it up.

Or Spear throw then Gae Bulg or vice versa.

Yes. Only spear throw and gae bulg cannot be used if you didnt pick up spear yet.(skill will be on cooldown but no dmg/effect)

3.) What if I Spear throw/Gae Bulg but I didnt pick up my spear? will it come back to me automatically after a period of time?

Yes, but it is quite long (not sure about exact time) which could be very bad in pvp.

4.) Iron Hook with Spear Skill: I’ve heard you can use skills and Normal attacks while holding an enemy with Hook but if you move, it will be canceled: What if I Hook then Long Stride to Enemy to close the gap, will i still hold the enemy? (planned Combo: Hook> Long Stride> Melee Skill bursts)

Yes, you can use long stride without cancelling hook. I dont pvp so I’m not sure if it will knock target out of range.

5.) Weapon Swap: Can I do 2 consecutive long range spear throw with weapon swap? [throw>swap>throw>pick both]

No, you cant swap weapon if you didnt pick up spear yet.

6.) [Corsair Related] Can You stop/cancel Keel Hauling(pull) but not the Iron hook Hold? ex: Iron Hook+ Keel Hauling then when the enemy is close enough to reach by your spear, stop keel hauling while still holding your enemy.

I have never done that so I assume it is impossible.
Keel go on cooldown after usage unlike cata’s impaler or sapper’s claymore which can be triggered again so it shouldn’t be controllable.

[Chanks]

thank you for your reply!

[Tanzen]

6.) [Corsair Related] Can You stop/cancel Keel Hauling(pull) but not the Iron hook Hold? ex: Iron Hook+ Keel Hauling then when the enemy is close enough to reach by your spear, stop keel hauling while still holding your enemy.

Once you execute keel haul, iron hook has already ended after the keel haul animation the target can move around freely. I’m also rolling the same build as you.

[bback24]

Is it true that dragoon is really dead in this game?

[Queue]

Dragoons are seriously struggling. I’m not going to say they aren’t viable, because basically everything is with enough investment and skill, but they are by far the weakest choice at the moment. Expect great things, but expect them later.

I still love mine though, and he’s still my main.

[Fenatte]

[Parmenion]

Dragoon is a good class but it has no strong points besides putting debuffs on monsters.
You aren’t the the best in any compartment, ie AOE or boss damage. Your only support is coming from bonus damages.

However Dragoon is excellent for party plays, the bigger the group size is the bigger the value of your debuffs is. For WB having a dragoon can really cut the time needed to kill it.
BUT the party with the dragoon will be penalized; debuffs aren’t linked to a specific party so having the dragoon in the party is a DPS loss against the other groups doing the same WB.

In short, dragoon skills are unimpressive and most of them are clunky (dethrone make most of the mobs de-synchronized with the server, Gae bulg is a pain to land, especially when fighting WB because of the FPS drops, and you have to fetch your weapon back).
You have no spammers if you take the hoplite route (spear throw isn’t a good mono target skills sadly) and really long cd skills (Pierce is a decent skill for a r3 one but 30 sec is too long).
Basically your skills have the same cd as your longest debuff skills (ie spear lunge 24 sec).

The class is fun to play though but don’t expect any reward even with high investment (you are really far from Doppel that are already a second choice to murmillo…)