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Sooo yeaaaa.... that's a lot of cubes

Just a correction, he once mentioned he only prefers picking Archers and Wiz any day than a Swordman. Which is true because currently pure dps build swordies are inferior to dps archer/wiz in terms of dmg output :cold_sweat:

I guess right now he must be really proud for being famous in the forum, I mean infamous. :sweat_smile:

20 hours a day to be correct.

It wasn’t supposed to be in the forum in the first place. It’s just for reddit. Why are you guys keep speculating? I mean come on, you don’t know the guy.

When I was doing Dullahan with him he almost never invites Wiz maybe that had changed. Swordsman is mainly there to give str stats to the fletchers we had a good run I got a karacha dagger from the party. On another note though currently best late game items are untradable and from EARTH TOWER so try to have fun guys and don’t worry about world bosses too much unless imc decides to release better ones.

Just a quick reminder to everyone, that this is not the kind of thing people should be doing (Kicking party members to get “better dps”)

Jace aside, I just want everyone to know its not right to be class prejudice. I’m not even saying this because “I do or dont have the right to decide” this is one of things that are just morally wrong.

I could compare this to racism but its just not the same in how important it is to not be racist. (But think about it anyway)

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If I want to be efficient about something then there should be no issue opting for someone who can dish out better dps or cc, depending on what the situation or scenario calls for. I’m not going to coddle and keep people around just to spare their feelings. Don’t even play the racism card for this. It’s nowhere near on the same plane.

If a specific party is formed to tackle a specific issue why is it wrong to tweak that around to get the best results as possible?

Silliness.

Its not problem of having such people in community. The problem is in game allowing for such domination, bad design choice in loot distribution, class balance and itemization process.

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Wow didn’t expect this many people to have opinions or negative experiences with Jace.

Yeah he plays a lot of hours he really enjoys the game and is committed while I can’t play as much he has always been welcoming in my experience.

As far as party composition that is incorrect as I am a PD and as you can see in the video he has a Paladin Monk in the party which replaced me after I left which is a very suboptimal bossing build. so…

Me Jace and Steevees have kind of been a group since demon prison so to say he has no loyalty and simply drops whoever isn’t fletcher / corsair/ dopple etc isn’t true.

I am not going to argue whether he is a “good” person as I don’t know how he behaves towards other people. To make a moral judgement of goodness based on behavior in game is quite comical in my personal opinion. I can say I believe a lot of the hate is unwarranted.

In regards to the video English isn’t his first language so I believe there is a miscommunication. He was only stating how many cubes he would open not how many he had left.

As far as monopolizing the market I didn’t know I don’t boss hunt often even though I can and I have no interest in the economy beyond my own gear so I can’t really speak to that. He has Ignition and Peta and all those items but likes to farm ingredients himself for some reason so…

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Your type of thinking is morally wrong, but you are free to do whatever you want.

The field boss loot rule discourages me from paying to support even if it’s 50% sale, true story ~

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Yes but there is a time and place for everything. One could argue that your blanket strategy of moralizing everything is flawed as well.

Your side is just as important as ours, If he doesn’t want to be seen that way he shouldn’t act like that.

Everyone should know what makes someone feel good or not, so if what your doing you know is going to make someone feel bad… just dont do it.

It’s not a difficult judgement call. This cube moment isn’t his only moment of being mean too. I shouldn’t say its him being mean, it’s more like how he obtained it. (ditching people and grabbing others)

This is like you want a multiplayer shooter where the one who shot you, also dies because he should not dominate because he is a better player.

People who aim for this should be able to reach it.
People who don’t should not.

Do not desire to be a boss hunter as a supportive class, that’s just purely illogical.

Each class has it’s pros and cons.
Not every clas is suited for everything, that’s why there are different classes.

If you want to do different things, you have multiple character slots for this.
Start making characters for specific tasks.

That is the point to bind you to this game as long as possible.

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People have no magic that keeps you from doing the same build as them for the same task.

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So I guess people who afk during dungeons should be given lollipops and kisses too? Because I mean they have feelings too you know?

Let’s all just go about our daily lives operating solely based on emotions and sparing people’s feelings. Just abandon logic and reason and everything because people’s feelings > everything. Again while I agree that there are plenty of situations that are best approached with your mindset there are equally as many that aren’t. So yeah. Your way of thinking is wrong but hey, you’re free to be the epitome of a care bear if you so please.

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It’s not like I dont understand your side, but your really basing your argument off being a douche, then justifying it. Yea ok. Ill just leave you to that.

Fair enough. Honestly from knowing him I don’t think he cares about his reputation to be honest although I could be wrong.

You have to take into account cultural differences as far as interacting with people we literally have players from all over the world.

Why I agree that everyone could be more nice or polite being mean doesn’t necessarily make someone a bad person.

I believe being nice is a very low bar for being a good person if that makes sense. In the same way being mean is a very low standard to be considered a bad person. I could see if he was cheating / botting / going out of the way to make peoples gaming experience miserable but he mostly keeps to himself.

If being efficient and successful entails being a douche when the situation calls for it then so be it. I know that sometimes success calls for your approach and that’s the difference between you and me. As much as you preach about understanding and considering people’s feelings you’re by far the more inconsiderate and alienating individual here. You try and hide behind the guise of kindness when in fact you’re another self-serving and arrogant person no different from the person you’re trying to crucify, which is Jace. I’m the one telling you that there’s the time and place for everything but for you its all or nothing. You sincerely believe that your way is the only way to go about doing things and even if you attempt to soften it by saying I’m free to do what I want you’re still overflowing with condescension. That’s a pretty high horse you’re on right now.

“Either you agree with my borderline elitist idealism or you’re a douchebag”

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He got 2 fletchers and 1 dragoon in the video which honestly I think is enough to get the cube. The monk is pretty high level and can give good buffs so it isn’t too bad. I’m sure he will kick the monk out for someone else if he doesn’t get the cube after a few runs (which ususally happens).

I don’t think he’s doing anything wrong in his actions like kicking because it’s necessary to get the cubes but the way he acts in-game is somewhat toxic from my experience with him. Maybe you don’t know this side of him since you said you don’t boss hunt often. He treats Steevees pretty good that’s for sure so what you said about loyalty applies somewhat but from what’ve seen everyone else is expendable.

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Hi Navi sorry for hijacking, I was just wondering if at some point you played NA Elsword and frequented the forums.

Again, your justifying yourself for being a terrible person. omg[quote=“serusalti, post:119, topic:217106”]
If being efficient and successful entails being a douche when the situation calls for it then so be it.
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Are you kidding? What is this madness? You sound like you’d be ok with segregation to.

“when the situation calls for it” sounds like your trying to sneak out of sounding like your just plain awful. wow.