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Some questions about Barb and Fencer

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

I’ve left a lot of points saved. This is the bones of what i was looking to, but some skills are not clear for me how useful they could be.

Keep in mind that this build is focused on PvE. At first, I was aiming 2:1 Con:Dex, but after looking at some videos, I am considering 1:1 - still open for suggestions. The high Con was for have a large HP pool to take care of the magic damage, even with a high mdef set. But, does it really necessary for it?

Skills:

- Barbarian

---- Warcry - how useful it is? It seems to add so little damage… Does it worth the investment?

---- Pouncing - looks fun, but those points could not be more useful in another skills? Since that in Fencer the barb skills should fall out of the rotation, what kind of use could Pouncing offer to the build?

- Fencer

---- Sept Etoile vs Lunge: What is the best use for the Pierce combo? Should I put both on max or just the best one?

---- Attaque Coquille: The only Strike damage in Fencer rotation. Does it worth more points or should i put more in Helm Chopper (Barbarian tree) instead and take those points to something more useful?

---- Flanconnade: Is it true that it can only avoid basic attacks, not skills? If so, how useful it could be as a damage source? The Slash combo has only a 4s window and the damage output, comparing Flanconnade10 against Seismic10 is absurd, the barb skill looks a way more efficient - taking just the rough numbers of the damage output of the skills. I know that it looks like a silly question, but never find these comparison before… Could any skilled and experienced Fencer give me a light?

---- Preparation: a tricky one: It says that the next Pierce attack will double his damage… But SE is a lot of consecutive hits, so, ALL of the (8?) hits gives 2x damage or just the first one?

Thanks in advance for your time and help!

#2

Am a noob fencer. But will try to share my insight about your q. Sorry if some of my point might not be true on all case
For PvE. I dont think high Con is needed by any fencer. Even if you have high HP pool, if you are tanking magic. You still needed heal and kite that doesn’t has any correlation with your con stats. Yes you needed high HP for pve. But I think at most 100 con is already enough for any generic fencer using plate armor.

Warcry. Quite useful for pve. For me personally if you are a barb fencer. Skip frenzy. I barely ever use AA on any case except on a sp saving mode. So warcry is your buff. It might not be a game changing buff, but it is quite decent considering aside of your patk, the enemy def is also reduced.

Actually I never played a barb3. So regarding pouncing. I didn’t have any real exp. But for me personally, if you go barb3. Pouncing will br your filler which is quite decent that you could hit while moving instead of all your skill being a fixed position skill that will frustate the hell out of you because the AI of mobs sometimes walk away for no reason.

Sept vs Lunge. In paper you could get the higher burst from sept. But for me personally, sept require much time to deal the damage which make your char fixed while Lunge only needed a blink of time to deal the full damage. Also the damage of skill level is better at Lunge while sept only net you 2digit damage from each skill level on each hit. But still other skills of fencer aside of composee is not needed to max the skill level. So both skill still could be maxed. But if fencer 3 by any chances got a better skill. I might only get lv 1 sept. Lunge should be maxed by all means because of nice scaling and evasion buff is quite OP for tanking physical damage.

You did realize that fencer skill point couldn’t be used on barb skill right? So helm chopper couldn’t be leveled by using fencer left over skill point.
By the wat. Coquille for me is quite nice. Even though the skill only deal one damage. But the scaling is quite nice. On a regular fencer gears, I could deal 6k alone from crit of coquille (am a 229 fencer). And the level of skill also prolonged your piercing ignore def debuff. So leveling this skill wouldn’t make you regret your choice. Either at lv 4 or lv 10 is your choice though. Just dont take it on level 1. Sometimes you couldn’t fast combo the ememy because of circumstances.

Flan. Not a good skill. SP sucking vampire. Damage is not even nice. If you want a spammable skill. I suggest composee. Also flan block is pathethic. The block only last half a second. Which is quite hard to predict. I might be a noob so for me, so I never could depend on the block of this skill to survive. I might just kite or manual C. If you still want this skill. Don’t take it more than one point. The more point also give you higher SP cost which is even worse while the scaling is already bad.

Seism itself couldn’t be depended due to the calculation of this skill is only 1.5 or 1.7 multiplier instead of a 3 hit skill. So if you want to take advantage of Lunge debuff. Spam all your slash skill, Cleave and also Dust Devil if you take a corsair path. But. 4 second is really short. At most I could only hit with 4 slash skill while the debuff is active.

Preparation, all 8 hits as long as you have the prep buff would net you double damage.

For me personally, barb or HL didn’t contribute much to any fencer. Most only give you some rotation to the skill. So don’t think too much of your low rank class skill.
CMIIW. Sorry for quite a messy post.

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#3

330 is not little for us swordsman. It is very useful if right conditions were made (10 mobs), plus there will be an incoming buff (hopefully it is the same with KR) that will lessen the CD.

For me, Pouncing is really strong. Since it has a long CD, you could use this as your initial skill on your rotation and then on to Fencer skills until Pouncing finishes CD. I can do at least 50-100k dmg on this one with level 35 skill attribute.

IMO, you should max both. Best damaging skills in Fencer.

Putting more skill points in it will extend the debuff, so it’s up to you on how long you would want the debuff going on.

This is mostly used as a Filler/Tanking skill. 1 should be enough.

All hits will give 2x damage.

Experience wise, 30-50 con should be enough for PvE, unless you are doing ET and PvP, you would need more.

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#4

Pouncing also adds knockback in kToS, IIRC.

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#5

You are awesome! Thanks for the fast reply. All insights helps to take a good picture.

I’m still barb2. I will slow the leveling to see what the rank8 offers.

Warcry: 330? Hum… It seems really good… I’ll work on it

Pouncing: does it pass through the bosses?

#6

Pouncing wont make you pass through the boss but if you keep running into the boss while pain barrier is up you will see a lot of ticks of damage. Pouncing is literally my favorite skill in barb tree.

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#7

God bless you * - *

Awesome tip!